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Louis Conte's avatar

This is an important issue for all of us. The denial of informed consent is a human rights violation!

Christina Veselak's avatar

I think it’s criminal that such a bill receives opposition, especially from the APA. It certainly shows complicity with the money making pharmaceutical companies. One problem is that no biochemical support options are ever offered other than medication. It has been proven that dietary changes can improve mood and behavior but this is never discussed. There is also enough research around amino acid therapy to make it a viable alternative to medication. I strongly believe in feeding the brain what it requires to function optimally before trying to tweak it with foreign chemicals. To this end, I wrote a book that applies to everyone with mental health issues as well as those in recovery from addiction. It’s called EAT! A guide to radiant recovery, using food and amino acids to repair the addicted brain and reduce cravings. You can find it on Amazon or at www.eatforrecovery.com. It is time for brain nutrition to become part of the conversation since research supporting it goes back 100 years.

Tee Rigodanzo's avatar

Thank you, Christina, for your excellent comment & BOOK. It would be great if you were able to become more involved in this critical veterans/brain restoration.

MD's avatar

AMEN Christine. Amen!

MD's avatar
Jan 7Edited

EXACTLY! WHO in their right mind would OPPOSE this?

People that DO NOT have our best interest in hand.

Nancy Parsons's avatar

The involuntary thought that came to me as I read was, "Only in America can you find a 'suicide prevention program' that nearly doubles the number of suicides."

Fred Kittelmann's avatar

You'd be hard-pressed to find a starker indication of the ineffectiveness of modern medicine.

Nancy Parsons's avatar

Or, of the collapse of empire. 😥

Randall Robinson's avatar

Throughout my 45-year psychotherapy practice informed consent was not offered by a single psychiatrist, primary care physician or pediatrician. When I initiated phone consultation these physicians talked about "chemical imbalance", few receptive to discussion of serious side effects or overmedication.

Ruth's avatar

As someone prescribed Zoloft in the early 2000’s due to “situational depression” I can arrest no one ever told me the dangers. I was told “it’s like when your thyroid slows down, you would take thyroid medicine right?” This will get you through, doesn’t mean you have to take it for life, just get imbalance cleared up. I took myself off in less than 3 months, cold Turkey, no ill effects. Second time several years later, basically the same, I did wean off the Paxil over a couple months. As a RN working in a VA clinic, no one was ever counseled on dangers of these meds. At that time, I did not know either. I do now!

Randall Robinson's avatar

The business of medicine grew geometrically during my clinical career. Grad school had taught me nothing about psychotropic meds, and the clinical psychology grad student clients with whom I worked for over 3 decades afterward appeared to be taught the value of an exponentially growing number of meds to treat behavioral symptoms for a plethora of new diagnostic categories. Physicians gave my clients "samples" of psychotropic meds without evaluating lifestyle factors or seeking consultation with their therapist. Never was there Informed Consent. One client entered therapy in 1987 after his wife had committed suicide when prescribed an SSRI. The FDA did not implement Black Box warnings until 2005. Many medicated children have believed "there's something wrong with my brain". "Potential side effects" of psychotropic meds include symptoms for which meds are being prescribed. Secretary Kennedy is heroic in his efforts to address and mend the many problems of allopathic medicine.

truth seeker's avatar

You have descibed a highly orchestrated Programming education.

Has been common knowledge that SSRI's are mind control meds so that

others do not have to deal with the disturbed. "Chemical Imbalance" jive.

Allopathy cannot be fixed from within. When 99% of a bushel of apples is rotten

it is neither expedient for economially wise to search for the two that are fine...

Emergency Care, Some Surgery, Some infectious dis-ease.

Thats all folks.

Taint RFK, Tis DJT the visionary. The entire vax / quax schedule has been ordered to be investigated. That is the order to RFK by the Commander in Chief.

MD's avatar

You are a very fortunate one Ruth, to actually get off these drugs. Many cannot, due to the way they are made or how they change us. too many, including Veterans have spoken out about the withdrawal symptoms being so horrific, they had to stop tapering and Pharma wins because they have a customer for life.. sad but very true. I personally know many...

Ruth's avatar

Thank you…by the grace of God.

MD's avatar

Exactly. Amen to that.

truth seeker's avatar

Ruth, why did you believe either the Dx or the presciption?

Very happy to hear of your quick and wise decision.

Then you did it again??? Wowser...

Ruth's avatar

This was actually in late 90’s and then early 2000. There were 2 significant events that caused depression leading to difficulty performing daily living-not suicidal. The physicians involved were ones I worked closely with and I believed them, trusted them and their medical opinion. Because I knew I did not want to be on meds the rest of my life, and my Christian beliefs, I knew I needed to get off of them and rely on my belief in God. God is Who enabled me to get off the meds without side effects. All part of the ill informed medical community! Some 25 years later, thanks to further education and God, I will not be taking them again!

truth seeker's avatar

Most of us have similar accounts. One day just spontaneously tossed Asthma meds was told would be on "the rest of my life" in H School.

Call it intuition but more likely Divine inspiration.

Learning about Health a life long missive. Onward.

truth seeker's avatar

thanks for outing the totally fraudulent Psychiatry profession

John Day MD's avatar

Business models of medical practice do not actually allow for informed consent, because the time necessary far exceeds the time alloted for a visit.

Handing the task to an underling who does not understand pharmacology, and collects a signature on an incomprehensible form is not informed consent.

Letsrock's avatar

Then change the business models. Or perhaps give that responsibility to the Pharmacist? That is where I go (or online) when I want reliable info on pharmaceuticals. ALL drugs should come w written disclaimers to ALL patients.

John Day MD's avatar

I can't change anything.

I got kicked out for "vaccine refusal".

You do it.

;-/

Letsrock's avatar

I can't either. That's why I do my own due diligence when it comes to Drs. Now we have a new resource available to us, however, when I informed my new GP that I had consulted Chat GPT he rolled his eyes. You can't have it both ways, dude, if I can do my own research so can he!

MD's avatar

"Daily Med" is a very good resource. It shows the Drug, Labeling and critical information. The FDA uses this themselves. I spoke with them in 2019 and was given this very valuable resource. I agree that the doctor should be giving us all of the info so that we can make an informed decision. Not, "here take this, it will help xyz." with any and all drugs!! ... but ESPECIALLY Psychoactives. Everyone keeps scratching their heads saying more gun control... but we never hear these Representatives yelling "More Informed Consent" when we are constantly seeing more and more violent crimes committed, including takin your own life. I bet Pharma is behind this one too... more gun control... MORE DRUG PRESCRIBING CONTROL and Accountability to the Doctor's responsible when a violent crime happens as the direct cause of their drug rx-ing.

truth seeker's avatar

Indeed, the clock runs out quickly. As you point out Informed Consent is an idea,

not a fix. Not sure what you think about Physician Liabilty, however if there were not shield, ordering new script pads would diminish.

John Day MD's avatar

It's all electronic prescription now.I think liability is wagging the dog like compliance and various payors are wagging the dog of medical practice.

Real patient care becomes almost impossible the way things are set up, having to see 4 patients an hour and write it all up, for one problem each, which doesn't work for complex patients.

I always took care of what the person needed, saw fewer people, but was actually able to help them have better lives.

That's not what businesses want these days.

Tee Rigodanzo's avatar

Just wanted to say thank you for your professionalism and so sorry for your experiences.

John Day MD's avatar

Thanks, Tee.

I get Social Security and grow a couple of pretty big, year round vegetable gardens, while blogging the unfolding of history.

My life and health are good. My wife, or kids and grandkids are also healthy and doing well in life.

It would be unseemly of me to whine, wouldn't it? I'm not in Gaza.

Tee Rigodanzo's avatar

Thanks for replying & good to hear all the positives in your/your family's lives. Not everyone in the medical profession faired so well:

~ https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/manhattan-er-doc-lorna-breen-commits-suicide-shaken-by-coronavirus/

~ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-do-antivaxxers-say-when-one-of-their-own-dies-suddenly-the-case-of-dr-rashid-buttar/

BTW, we aren't really supposed to compare our lives with someone else's . . . we don't truly know the Divine perspective . . . sometimes a little whining can go a long way (expressing Truth, strengthening us for a bigger battle, letting others know we can be vulnerable yet thrive . . . )

P.S. I never locked down . . . instead volunteered with 'essentials'.

John Day MD's avatar

I early-treated COVID with repurposed antivirals from early 2020, and gave away 40,000 doses of 5000 IU vitamin-D to patients and coworkers in 2020.

I blogged the whole time at www.johndayblog.com

Since Google censored that a few times, I also got drjohnsblog.substack.com after February 2022

Both are active, but the Substack is easy to subscribe to and gets more views. Always free, something I am able to provide in the service of Truth.

I seek to be useful to humanity and peace on earth.

Dixie Belle's avatar

And yet this is how informed consent forms are handled in the clinical setting in my experience. Is anyone ever told the risks? I once took anti-depressant medication. I was not told the true risks and that the effects were long lasting, perhaps for life. That information is only now being disseminated. Yes, I had side effects and still do. No anti-depressant in over 12 years.

Remy Gallen's avatar

My psychiatrists never told me about any of the side effects the various medical cocktails they gave me, which I never needed in the first place, yet they continued to drug me up on them, and I got epilepsy. I reported my first to the Texas Medical Board and he's being investigated. Virtually all major medical organizations are compromised. They also need to ban psych meds on children since it interferes with their development.

TeeJae's avatar

And is one of the potential (probable?) causes of mass homicides.

Remy Gallen's avatar

We do definitely need to collect statistics on things like that, yes.

truth seeker's avatar

Got it. So why did you go??? You are on about bans, the solution is health education...

Health behaviors anyone??

Remy Gallen's avatar

Horrible parents that exploited me and coerced me as an autistic back in 2006--and you never argue with my parents--but I don't want to go into detail.

Kristen S's avatar

Not the VA, but in relation to prescribed medications: I've been helping my dad the last couple of years with his doctor and medications as his dementia has become worse. I honestly wish I hadn't been so trusting of the doctor and that he hadn't over the many years. There's stacks of medications he's been on for years, many of which I think worsened his condition - if not possibly causing it (statins, srri meds, blood pressure meds etc) There's this sense that all these medicines are keeping him alive, so you rely on the doctor to direct what he needs. I did try to get the doctor to lessen his medications when he started having falls related to extremely low blood pressure, but we can't undo years of medications that I suspect damaged his brain.

He does take many anti-anxiety meds now - he's aggressive and extremely paranoid in his dementia without them. He's on hospice now, and it's frustrating how they immediately go to lorazepam or something else addictive. I don't know what they'd push on him if I didn't live locally to him.

I think doctors often go for what's easy instead of what's helpful. I can't imagine what our veterans have been through physically and emotionally, but we need to be treating people who sacrificed their bodies and minds on behalf of all of us like they matter. Not as an inconvenience to push out quickly with the go-to drug.

I've come to the conclusion after watching my dad that medications of all kinds (over-the-counter and prescribed) should be last resort and minimized. And the elderly are horribly over-prescribed medicine too. But medicare is a whole other bag of worms.

Kim Newton's avatar

hi he could try www.metabolicneurologist.com which is keto and fasting and he could try www.hardynutritionals.com Daily essential nutrients Dr. Chris Palmer, Harvard psychiatrist is great too He may be able to come to the rest home and lower his meds

truth seeker's avatar

By a huge margin the largest and best expertise on Water Fasting is True North run by

Dr. Alan Goldhammer and his cadre of specialists. Has completed over 25,000 water fasts. No other has done 10%.

Psychiatry is a totally fraudulent profession. Based on absolute fraud.

Sonia Nordenson's avatar

But, as Kristen said, he's in Hospice care now: since a Hospice patient is expected to die within six months, only comfort treatments are allowed, not curative.

Tee Rigodanzo's avatar

True but if a hospice patient does not pass in 6 months they can be reinstated for full care.

truth seeker's avatar

Of course. The Medical Cartel medicates the elderly, now as before.

Clueless People comply.

The good news is that the body wants to heal itself.

Medical Doctors are the delivery boys for Big P. With few exeptions.

Your conclusion is like a base hit.

Time to learn something about health??

Daphne Watkins Denham, MD's avatar

Data does not support the use of psychiatric medications in Veterans with TBI, but sadly, that is the first drug so many are put on.

1. In the article "Inflammation Relates to Chronic Behavioral and Neurological Symptoms in Military Personnel with Traumatic Brain Injuries" published September 2016 by NIH, NIN, and Johns Hopkins University School of Nursing, they found "Of those with a TBI, IL-6 and TNF-alpha concentrations were greater in the TBI group than in the control group. Of those IL-6 and TNF-alpha concentrations were greater in the high-PTSD group than the low-PTSD." They state: "This study indicates that the comorbidity of TBI and PTSD is associated with inflammation in a military sample, emphasizing the necessity for intervention in order to mitigate the risks associated with inflammation."

2. The article "Novel Neuroimmunologic Therapeutics in Depression: A Clinical Perspective on What We Know So Far" was published in 2020. The authors from University of Pennsylvania and UCLA provide a good review to speculate on other treatments. On page 1 they state: "Nearly 2/3rds of patients do not achieve remission upon initial treatment despite adherence to treatment and are thus considered 'treatment resistant'." They cite 4 references in support of this statement. They also cite 4 references to state "It is well established that depression is associated with inflammatory factors within the innate and the adaptive immune system, as previously reviewed." Additionally, they quote increases in the two cytokines as the article found in military: IL-6 and TNF-alpha. They also include IL-1 beta, not previously mentioned. Most importantly "These data correlate with studies showing that, compared to responders, depressed individuals who fail to respond to monoamine reuptake inhibiting agents have abnormal increases in various markers of pro-inflammatory activity." [The "monoamine reuptake inhibiting agents" are the commonly used anti-depressants that most Veterans are on.]

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy has been shown to decrease inflammation, and has a much better than only 1/3rd of Veterans responding to it.

You Veterans deserve so much better care!!

truth seeker's avatar

Of course. We did not need data to prove this. We did need knowledge about health.

Have reviewed over 10 thousand "studies" most of which are Pay to Play, a dog chasing its tail. Knowledge about health... No upper limit.

Veterans like all of us, need to learn about health, no short cuts.

Dixie Belle's avatar

They (Veterans)were promised health care and should receive the best. Their willingness to sacrifice demand it! Physicians have drunk the Big Pharma Kool aide and no longer actually practice real medicine. They have or should have extensive education and dedication to improving the health of their patients, not trying to earn millions by prescribing harmful chemicals. However, I get what I think you are trying to convey, people need to improve their health knowledge and pursue healthy life styles but it isn’t possible to know what isn’t published. We all bought into the idea that these researchers (particularly) had our best interests in mind. The reality is- they didn’t, they don’t, and they never will.

truth seeker's avatar

Could not agree more concerning the discarded Vets.

What you refer to as real medicine needs unpacking.

Emergency care, some surgeries, some treatment of infectious disease.

That is about it. The information concerning health has ALWAYS been available.

That is not the sticking point. Have reviewed at least 10K peer reviewed articles and have the educational background to over stand. Mostly pay to play.

The Flexner Report was published over a hundred years ago is exactly how the Medical Cartel was established. The Good News is that renegade MD's are now common due to Covidiocy.

The largest category of fools is the general public, the ones that move like fish in a school. Do not ask them why.

Living Well Locally's avatar

PTSD in veterans begs for an effective solution. Psychedelic alternatives for therapeutic use could be that answer if broader use is approved. Hoping this can happen for veterans especially.

truth seeker's avatar

Informed consent implies that "patients" could or would comprehend the information.

That is a great concept but totally untrue.

The way forward is Physician Liability. The APA is one of dozens of fraudulent orgs. for a totally

fraudulent Medical Profession... The only purpose is to drug troubled people and to

convince them to take their drugs.

Health does not come from needles, health does not come from Psychiatic Drugs.

Health is not to be taken lightly, it does not simply exist. It must be pursued with diligence

and knowledge. At some point the basic tenets become a sound Philosophy.

The Medical Cartel is circling the bowl. Allow the final flush.

Emergency Medicine, Some Surgery, Some infectious Disease.

Thats all folks.

Seek the expertise of a discipline that Medicine ridicules. You will find yourself heading for third base...

Kim Newton's avatar

these men need counseling and good food and exercise and support from their friends family and government. www.hardynutritionals.com Daily Essential nutrients is a great medication alternative for people who have experienced trauma

truth seeker's avatar

Tis not a med alternative. Nutrients are what health seekers find and acquire.

Nutritious unadulterated food now as before the solution.

There are points of no return...

The issue is that so many know NOTHING about health.

They willfully drank the ill health Kool Aid. Some set up stands.

Unlearning foolish habits requires admission of false beliefs as the 10 step people seem to realize...

Kim Newton's avatar

You need unadulterated food too I est as much organic fresh food as possible, When you have been under stress and trauma, you may need extra nutrients that you cannot get from your diet. stress depletes massive amounts of vit c and magnesium from your body and brain as an example

truth seeker's avatar

Of course... including other nutrients mentioned. There are a thousand details.

Marc's avatar

So many institutions in our societies are either dysfunctional or at a dead end. One of them is the psychiatric system. After studying psychology for over 50 years on my own ( I am not a psychologist ), I think I have a right to comment.

Before this pill oriented era, Freudian psychology ruled the roost, and that was swept away for some good reasons due to the limitation of Freud's theories. Then Psychiatry made the not unwarranted assumption that all emotional illness was brain related , due to brain trauma, and chemical imbalances, and they had nothing to due with our emotions and their instability, and that medications solely would right the balance. After many decades we see the limitations of this assumption , so many side effects , and no real cures, just "management" of symptoms. Meds as legal "dope" really, temporarily numbing you out but not getting to the emotional roots of problems.

Starting in the 1920s and then speeding up in the 1960s , several practisioners built upon Freud's theories , instead of rejecting them totally , creating new more powerful techniques to uncover unconscious traumas that lead to various types of mental illness. For instance, the problem of schizophrenia was essentially solved 80 years ago by one Wilhelm Reich ( see the chapter "The Schizophrenic Split" in his book "Character Analysis" ). Two other practisioners, Alexander Lowen and Arthur Janov , came up with the same solutions, after, independently of Reich, using natural methods, with the key discovery, not only for schizophrenia but most all mental illnesses, that trauma in childhood leads to these illnesses. We can call these people neo-Freudians. (They don't deny that some problems can be due to brain trauma, like concussions . But most mental illnesses are due to getting messed over by parents who are overtly mean and sadistic , or if not, somewhat unbalanced but well meaning parents , or other trauma in childhood. Sometimes trauma later in life. There are thousands of case studies out there leading to that conclusion )

Actually RFK's voice problem is probaly of psychosomatic origins: I have a paper at home describing a complete cure of this condition using natural Reichian methods.

Of course, these neo-Freudians have been vilified and marginalised by a an arrogant know it all soulless Establishment. Same thing that they do to those who question the sometimes serious side effects of vaccines. Nothing new there !

truth seeker's avatar

Everyone has the right to comment, however many are ill informed.

Vax caused vocal cord harm unlikely to be psychosomatic.

Physical causation the more likely mechanism.

None are Safe, None are Effective // All are harmful, Some Genocidal

Marc's avatar

Truth Seeker:

Maybe there are other causes for RFK Jr's symptoms, but in the neo-Freudian psychoanalytic paper that I cited , one cause can definitely be of an emotionally traumatic nature. What can you cite as proving other causes for this condition ? None. So maybe you should shut the fuck up before posting bullshit without proof.

truth seeker's avatar

Marc, have sent a Mac truck to thy residence. The driver has a harness and knows what to do. It is positively Sophomoric to "cite" as if that is proof of something.

When the extraction is complete, assuming your head does not come off, then do come up for air. Oink. Thy mouth is filthy.

Marc's avatar

Thanks for the death threath, Truth Seeker. Pretty typical of course of you twisted MAGA fanatics. And the motherfuckers who run this site let that pass... Way to go there MAHA Report admins!

truth seeker's avatar

Stupidity is not a virtue. Your comprehension is about 7th grade level.

Twas not a "threat" you dolt, twas a take down.

MD's avatar
Jan 7Edited

"Daily Med" is a very good resource. It shows the Drug, Labeling and critical information. The FDA uses this themselves. I spoke with them in 2019 and was given this very valuable resource. I agree that the doctor should be giving us all of the info so that we can make an informed decision. Not, "here take this, it will help xyz." with any and all drugs!! ... but ESPECIALLY Psychoactives. Everyone keeps scratching their heads saying more gun control... but we never hear these Representatives yelling "More Informed Consent" when we are constantly seeing more and more violent crimes committed, including taking your own life. I bet Pharma is behind this one too... more gun control... MORE DRUG PRESCRIBING CONTROL and Accountability to the Doctor's responsible when a violent crime happens as the direct cause of their drug rx-ing. And our pour Veteran's have been govs. biggest guinea pigs for centuries. They have been given a drug to make them react.

MD's avatar

FINALLY!! Thank you for your strength Soldiers!!

Bruce J Kellogg's avatar

One big issue with the VA's suicide program is their approach to suicide is dishonest and never really confronts the cores issues.