I always thought they were yukky foods as well. Even during my stint as a vegan, I though 'fake meat' seemed weird. Why would I want to eat something 'meat-like' if I were a vegan? These foods are simply ultra processed foods, packaged as 'healthy'. Makes me hungry for a REAL juicy grass fed ribeye!
Regardless, as much as I like RFK jr, I will still be a lacto vegetarian, like I have for 56 years. And I raised 3 vegetarian kids who were highly competitive athletes and scholars.
I’ve been living a plant based diet for many years. I am against fake meat. There’s so many amazing recipes that can be made with beans. A black bean burger is the best. Can be used for meatballs tooMy favorite recipe book is “from chronically ill to vibrantly well” by Judy de Lorenzo. She has a great website too. It’s called “a life well planted”.
Absolutely agree, it's a double tragedy. Veggie burgers used to be, "plant patties," before they were re-engineered. But Big Ag bought out the plant patty companies (Gardein? Canadian company) and started making Frankeenfood, "fake meat."
I found two or three plant base burgers at Whole Foods in the freezer section but they’re not as good as when I make them myself. Yesterday I made an amazing black bean chili. So good in this cold frigid weather.
Yeah, some plant patties were better than others but right around Covid-1984 is when they invented lab-grown meat and re-engineered the whole concept of veggie meat substitution.
Never paid it that much attention. Do on occasion eat a bean based "burger" Would never consider eating anything remotely connected to Baal Gates the now affirmed Pedophile quaxcine czar.
Eating animals is Not a choice. No one asked the animals.
It is simply a really poor low level decision. There are consequences for such decisions. Both from the health perspective but, more importantly, the spirit... There are details lost on many.
I’ll have a veggie burger or veggie dog, if someone makes it for me at their BBQ. Or if I’m in Chicago. Otherwise I’m not interested. They’re mediocre at best and only used as a vehicle for mustard and relish and a side dish for French fries
You clearly have no sense of humor or perspective or history. You’re judging me because someone in my family might feed me a veggie burger? Or dog Out of kindness? And I enjoy it because it evokes childhood That is very telling.
You’re a chump
And in addition…
Do I GAF what you think? I haven’t eaten flesh in 56 years I don’t judge anyone. And don’t pay attention to anyone else who judges anyone else.
I’ve never seen one animal-eater who has prevented or reversed a disease by eating more animals. Ditching the rotting flesh for whole food plants? Yup. All. The. Time.
Absolutely not true. RFK Jr is usually the most intelligent, kind, dedicated & compassionate person on any room. The facts most ‘faux carnivores’ don’t want to see is that they (& WF vegans) are usually healthier than the general population because of what they DON’T eat eg processed food products, sugar including alcohol, a lot of junky grains, etc. , they exercise & find happiness. Their diet is far ahead of the SAD. The wealthy ones can afford actual health care & cutting edge modalities that the rest of us cannot.
The worst evening I ever spent was at a vegan’s apartment in NYC. She had two dachshunds that she proudly proclaimed as vegans, too. We were halfway through the “plant-based” dinner she made while the dogs stared at their own “plant-based” bowls. Then, the smell of bacon being cooked in the apartment next door wafted through the vent. Those dogs went berserk, howling. She couldn’t talk them down and frankly I was about to howl with them. And the most annoying t-shirt I ever saw was “Vegans for Abortion.” What? This woman was aborting until she could have a plant-based baby?
Don’t need any animals in diet. No processed foods either. To each their own. But don’t subsidize processed foods and health care for preventable conditions.
Great article outlining what is bad about UPF simulated meat. Human’s have being living off whole nutrient dense foods for thousands of years. Thinking a chemical engineer turned chef can make healthy substitutes without stringent health criteria and testing is just wrong. The article could be better if it addressed the untrue dogma about what is bad with a good regenerative farmed animal protein.
I’ve been living a plant based diet for many years. I am against fake meat. There’s so many amazing recipes that can be made with beans. A black bean burger is the best. Can be used for meatballs tooMy favorite recipe book is “from chronically ill to vibrantly well” by Judy de Lorenzo. She has a great website too. It’s called “a life well planted”.
"Plant-based Meat", kind of like "Water-based Rocks". If we could just get "Meat-based Plants", like "impossible broccoli" then life would be grand. Just stop. Human are omnivores, because we weren't good enough predators to just live off of meat like lions and wolves. Plants bought us survival in lean times. As further proof, try to understand why your eyes aren't located on the side of your heads.
Your eyes are in front of your head. You are not a herbivore. Plants do allow hominids to survive, mainly by supplying herbivores the energy to convert plants into protein.
You neglect to mention that there is nothing healthy about animals raised in misery and cruelty, who never see the light of day, are pumped with gmo corn, antibiotics, steroids and now mRNA vaccines. Plant based products substituting meat are not unhealthy without the chemical additives and they are cruelty free for those that care about the abomination occurring on factory farms. We need to encourage more organic products. This mad rush to turn the world into carnivores is not going to end well. This planet cannot withstand grazing meat for billions of people, even if the plebs could afford the grass fed meat of the oligarchs. It’s just not going to happen, except for the rich. The rain forest is already being decimated for factory farms to raise animals in intense confinement, which requires a fraction of the land of free range animals. MAHA will be destroyed returning people to a chemical diet of cruelty.
I agree 100% about the horrendous CAFOs. I only purchase grass-fed, pasture-raised, free-range meat, eggs, milk, etc., which is perfectly affordable on our middle-class income. Same with organic produce. It just requires prioritizing line items in our budget; namely, paying more for healthy food now, so we don't pay the exorbitant medical costs (both financial and psychological) of illness and disease later.
I buy from small farmers and artisanal food producers. Is it worth the extra money? The way I see it, I’m not just spending money on my food I’m spending money to support regenerative farming for future generations. Why give money to politicians? As Michael Pollan said (and I’m paraphrasing because I don’t remember the exact quote) we vote with our purchases.
Too many ignorant city dwellers who know nothing about where food comes from, except for what the see on TV and the internet. Most have never left the city, let alone travel through the countryside and see how the other half lives.
Do you realize plants feel and communicate with one another? They have an entire underground network to communicate stress, insect attacks,drought, etc.
If you're eating plants, you are killing life, their life, which us no less important than yours!
Do you pray over plants before picking off them or treading on them or eating them? Do you have respect for them as you do animals?
Have you stepped on an ant or spider lately?
You know, the Buddhist respect all life and never kill even the smallest of insects! Why? Because they are alive!
There are also many many small animals and their homes that are destroyed because of plant based crops. Rabbits, moles, mice, caterpillars, bees, on and on. All of these animals die for plant based diets.
Middle class the world and country are not, not even close. Besides, even if the masses could afford the elite cuts, the planet can not. RFK would do far better just getting the chemicals out of our food, both plant and animal. Then we can all eat cake, even the grass fed carnivore cake that RFK showed off.
did you look at the graphic of the food pyramid, or did you see his birthday cake? If that isn’t promotion, I don’t know what is. RFK is on a meat kick these days according to his wife.
try reading the longest and largest dietary study in history, 30 years of collecting data-THE CHINA STUDY. Every major disease increases in direct proportion to the amount of animal protein consumed. But the vitamin content wasn't really my point. Those nutrients can be found in varied plant based too. My point was more about the poison within the modern meat industry in the in-sustainability of feeding billions of people on a carnivore diet.
I 100% agree with you. I am limited to 750 words or I'd go on and on and CAFO meat and the miserable life it leads. I have been eating 100% grass fed, pastured meat for the past 20 years.
This is interesting. HOWEVER, while concern about esoteric products from the shelves of Whole Foods, like plant-based "meat," vitamin supplements, and the special needs of vegans, are valid, these are concerns of the "choir" (educated, upper-middle class folks and their wanna-be's), not the congregation. The congregation is much of the rest of the country (who voted, BTW, for Trump), who eat take-out or microwavable crap in their cars on their way to and from work or schlepping kids along endless exurban roads. They never learned about food themselves (broken homes, no home ec class, lots of contrary advertising) and are obese (which in the USA tracks education.) Spending time and ink on the concerns of people like RFK Jr, who are fixated on what goes into their mouths, just gives Democrats another page from their old playbook, about Kennedy being an elitist who doesn't know how real people live. I suggest that MAHA spend more time copying Martha Stewart and her ilk, showing people how easy and tasty it is to eat simply; you don't need time or knowledge to grab an apple and a few slices of cheese (and maybe a slice of bread, God forgive us) instead of a frozen burrito. Get the food industry out of food altogether and go back to the farmers (and while I'm at it, get the sports club and athletic industries out of exercise altogether and go back to parks and back yards).
I agree with you about eating simply. But, Lynn, the whole idea (for RFK, Jr. and MAHA) is to get "real people" to eat real food. I wouldn't equate my lifelong interest in healthful nutrition with a fixation on what goes into my mouth. You're going a little overboard.
If a person decides to follow a plant-based diet, you would think it’s because they don’t want to eat meat (or dairy, etc.). Why would they want to eat something that resembles meat? My guess is they miss the “flavor” or “texture” of meat and want a substitute. If that is the case, they are only fooling themselves. I know only two people who were hard-core vegans. Absolutely no meat, fish, eggs or dairy. One was my cousin, who after being vegan for a year, became malnourished and lost so much weight she was hospitalized. After that she decided to go back to a normal diet. The other was a friend who was vegan for over 5 years and died of cancer.
Exactly! That's what I thought as a vegan--for 10 years. Why eat fake meat when I stopped eating meat? I too was very malnourished in spite of really working to eat healthy, whole organic foods. My body could not absorb all the nutrients without meat.
That is a good point. Decades ago when the veggie burgers were front row the answer was for those "transitioning" from dead cow.
I know and have consulted with hundreds of vegans. Without question they are in general healthier. There is no "hard core" There is choice and over standing.
Apparently you dont know enough vegans who have been vegan for long. In my late 20's to my 30's I was a vegan. I was very careful about planning what I ate, eating only high quality nutritious real foods, organic greens, organic beans and other veggies, and planning out proper amino acid combos, etc. After 10 years, I had broken teeth, a face full of acne, no energy, depression, anxiety, low thyroid, yeast infections, bladder infections, rashes, severe anemia, gluten issues and more. When the dr told me I was severely anemic, I went immediately back to eating red meat and followed a Paleo diet and was almost instantly better from everything that ailed me. Now at 66, my labs are perfect,(including cholesterol, weight and nutrient levels) and my dr is astounded. I am also a lifelong athlete and my athletic performance was vastly improved when I started eating meat. I was able to become a #2 in the country ranked bike racer. I only eat 100% grass fed beef, and wild caught fish, free range pastured poultry. I am conscious of the issues with our modern meat industry and I do my best to stay healthy and eat sustainably, but I will not sacrifice my health and well being.
Tried them when they first came out: tasted fake: figured they were worse than meat, just chemicals. I trust REAL lamb most these days. I’m suspicious of harmful additives in beef.
Home-made alt-meats are nutritious options. Seitan, made from washing the protein glutens out of wheat flour can easily be done at home and lends itself to all sorts of delicious alt-meat dishes. Buddhist monks have been eating this for centuries. Tempeh, myco-fermented soybeans, discovered in Indonesia, is another great high protein alt-meat food. I cook a variety of high protein meals with both.
I find that any diet tribe including vegans, carnivores high carb, low carb, insect-eaters, whatever, etc who insist on dogma first are never truly interested in true health they just want to be right.
There are a few plant based “meats” that are actually good both in tasty and nutritional value. Gardein chicken strips are a staple in our organic/ vegan household and a small company out of Chicago named Upton’s Naturals makes a seitan which is basically a sausage that tastes awesome. Ingredients are water, vital wheat gluten, soy sauce, apple cider vinegar, garlic, guajillo, oregano, sea salt, onion, cumin, black pepper.
I’m not trying to influence anyone’s eating habits. I don’t care what other people do. I just put that out there for anyone who wishes they could find a healthy and enjoyable meat substitute.
This is excellent information. I never trusted these products and the whole endeavor seems ghoulish.
I always thought they were yukky foods as well. Even during my stint as a vegan, I though 'fake meat' seemed weird. Why would I want to eat something 'meat-like' if I were a vegan? These foods are simply ultra processed foods, packaged as 'healthy'. Makes me hungry for a REAL juicy grass fed ribeye!
Interesting choice of words. Ghoulish? eating a veggie burger does not fit
eating fake meat is bizarre. What is ghoulish is eating dead animals, that fits.
What's ghoulish is creating fake meat in a lab.
Regardless, as much as I like RFK jr, I will still be a lacto vegetarian, like I have for 56 years. And I raised 3 vegetarian kids who were highly competitive athletes and scholars.
I’ve been living a plant based diet for many years. I am against fake meat. There’s so many amazing recipes that can be made with beans. A black bean burger is the best. Can be used for meatballs tooMy favorite recipe book is “from chronically ill to vibrantly well” by Judy de Lorenzo. She has a great website too. It’s called “a life well planted”.
Absolutely agree, it's a double tragedy. Veggie burgers used to be, "plant patties," before they were re-engineered. But Big Ag bought out the plant patty companies (Gardein? Canadian company) and started making Frankeenfood, "fake meat."
I found two or three plant base burgers at Whole Foods in the freezer section but they’re not as good as when I make them myself. Yesterday I made an amazing black bean chili. So good in this cold frigid weather.
the veggie burgers were attempting to fill the burger void.
Some were acceptable. That was then, before Baal Gates saw an opportunity.
Yeah, some plant patties were better than others but right around Covid-1984 is when they invented lab-grown meat and re-engineered the whole concept of veggie meat substitution.
Never paid it that much attention. Do on occasion eat a bean based "burger" Would never consider eating anything remotely connected to Baal Gates the now affirmed Pedophile quaxcine czar.
No way Jose !!!
Wheres the beef? But you can forget the pork!!
what a stupid low level comment
It's just a personal preference, Truth seeker.
Eating animals is Not a choice. No one asked the animals.
It is simply a really poor low level decision. There are consequences for such decisions. Both from the health perspective but, more importantly, the spirit... There are details lost on many.
I’ll have a veggie burger or veggie dog, if someone makes it for me at their BBQ. Or if I’m in Chicago. Otherwise I’m not interested. They’re mediocre at best and only used as a vehicle for mustard and relish and a side dish for French fries
Food is not a vehicle. It is nourishment for the body and... the soul
The fact that you are not interested in the origins of what goes between your lips is telling.
Telling what to who?
You clearly have no sense of humor or perspective or history. You’re judging me because someone in my family might feed me a veggie burger? Or dog Out of kindness? And I enjoy it because it evokes childhood That is very telling.
You’re a chump
And in addition…
Do I GAF what you think? I haven’t eaten flesh in 56 years I don’t judge anyone. And don’t pay attention to anyone else who judges anyone else.
There was no judgment regardless of your assertions.
As stated food is not a vehicle. If, in your eyes, that makes me a chump
happy to wear the shirt. No one should care what another thinks.
No one is judge or jury. All are responsible for what they do and...
say.. All are somewhere on the road to self awareness. Some note the street markers.
Stfu and go away you self righteous loser
I’ve never seen one animal-eater who has prevented or reversed a disease by eating more animals. Ditching the rotting flesh for whole food plants? Yup. All. The. Time.
So RFK is a carnivore, that means he is bereft of health knowledge.
Lets not forget ethics and compassion.
Absolutely not true. RFK Jr is usually the most intelligent, kind, dedicated & compassionate person on any room. The facts most ‘faux carnivores’ don’t want to see is that they (& WF vegans) are usually healthier than the general population because of what they DON’T eat eg processed food products, sugar including alcohol, a lot of junky grains, etc. , they exercise & find happiness. Their diet is far ahead of the SAD. The wealthy ones can afford actual health care & cutting edge modalities that the rest of us cannot.
Nah, was not commenting on any of the qualities you mention.
I said and stand by the original comment. Re-read it, this time with comprehension. You are wrong about your what they don't eat comment.
Avoidance strategies is a first base hit. The homer is from the health
affirming choices over time. We all choose, some not wisely.
I wouldn’t go that far but mostly agree
I'm sure the phony meet is cheaper??? Yuck!!! Time to visit the butcher shop!
The worst evening I ever spent was at a vegan’s apartment in NYC. She had two dachshunds that she proudly proclaimed as vegans, too. We were halfway through the “plant-based” dinner she made while the dogs stared at their own “plant-based” bowls. Then, the smell of bacon being cooked in the apartment next door wafted through the vent. Those dogs went berserk, howling. She couldn’t talk them down and frankly I was about to howl with them. And the most annoying t-shirt I ever saw was “Vegans for Abortion.” What? This woman was aborting until she could have a plant-based baby?
Hipocracy at its best!
yes there are vegans who actually insist on abortion
Dogs can and do thrive on a plant based diet if supplemented with taurine
Cats most definitely do not.
If that was the worst evening you ever spent, you must live in a bubble.
Carnivores will do and say anything to promote their blood lust.
Easy there, truth seeker.
Don’t need any animals in diet. No processed foods either. To each their own. But don’t subsidize processed foods and health care for preventable conditions.
This is great information, and I find that the fake meat is disgusting and I would never eat it.
Same! Even when I was a vegetarian.
Great article outlining what is bad about UPF simulated meat. Human’s have being living off whole nutrient dense foods for thousands of years. Thinking a chemical engineer turned chef can make healthy substitutes without stringent health criteria and testing is just wrong. The article could be better if it addressed the untrue dogma about what is bad with a good regenerative farmed animal protein.
I’ve been living a plant based diet for many years. I am against fake meat. There’s so many amazing recipes that can be made with beans. A black bean burger is the best. Can be used for meatballs tooMy favorite recipe book is “from chronically ill to vibrantly well” by Judy de Lorenzo. She has a great website too. It’s called “a life well planted”.
"Plant-based Meat", kind of like "Water-based Rocks". If we could just get "Meat-based Plants", like "impossible broccoli" then life would be grand. Just stop. Human are omnivores, because we weren't good enough predators to just live off of meat like lions and wolves. Plants bought us survival in lean times. As further proof, try to understand why your eyes aren't located on the side of your heads.
Your eyes are in front of your head. You are not a herbivore. Plants do allow hominids to survive, mainly by supplying herbivores the energy to convert plants into protein.
kinda like? You are biologically illiterate. Plants allow hominids to thrive, then and now.
You neglect to mention that there is nothing healthy about animals raised in misery and cruelty, who never see the light of day, are pumped with gmo corn, antibiotics, steroids and now mRNA vaccines. Plant based products substituting meat are not unhealthy without the chemical additives and they are cruelty free for those that care about the abomination occurring on factory farms. We need to encourage more organic products. This mad rush to turn the world into carnivores is not going to end well. This planet cannot withstand grazing meat for billions of people, even if the plebs could afford the grass fed meat of the oligarchs. It’s just not going to happen, except for the rich. The rain forest is already being decimated for factory farms to raise animals in intense confinement, which requires a fraction of the land of free range animals. MAHA will be destroyed returning people to a chemical diet of cruelty.
I agree 100% about the horrendous CAFOs. I only purchase grass-fed, pasture-raised, free-range meat, eggs, milk, etc., which is perfectly affordable on our middle-class income. Same with organic produce. It just requires prioritizing line items in our budget; namely, paying more for healthy food now, so we don't pay the exorbitant medical costs (both financial and psychological) of illness and disease later.
I buy from small farmers and artisanal food producers. Is it worth the extra money? The way I see it, I’m not just spending money on my food I’m spending money to support regenerative farming for future generations. Why give money to politicians? As Michael Pollan said (and I’m paraphrasing because I don’t remember the exact quote) we vote with our purchases.
Exactly!
Pollen was a half way guy. The concept of supporting your values is astute.
Howz about stop the killing??
Also, when eating healthy, clean foods, we tend to eat much less and the cravings for in-between snacks are fewer and far between.
KNOW your farmer. I eat healthy grass fed & finished beef. :)
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Not all meat comes from "factory farms."
You must be a city dweller. Get out and see the rest of the country where people are living very healthy lives, and the animals, too!
my family comes from Wyoming cattle country. I know how the other side lives. Unfortunately that is a fraction of the World’s population.
Too many ignorant city dwellers who know nothing about where food comes from, except for what the see on TV and the internet. Most have never left the city, let alone travel through the countryside and see how the other half lives.
I have lived both sides, and the cities suck!
and, too many ignorant carnivores? They ignore the cruelty and blood lust of their carnism.
Do you realize plants feel and communicate with one another? They have an entire underground network to communicate stress, insect attacks,drought, etc.
If you're eating plants, you are killing life, their life, which us no less important than yours!
Do you pray over plants before picking off them or treading on them or eating them? Do you have respect for them as you do animals?
Have you stepped on an ant or spider lately?
You know, the Buddhist respect all life and never kill even the smallest of insects! Why? Because they are alive!
In their eyes, you would be a murderer!
There are also many many small animals and their homes that are destroyed because of plant based crops. Rabbits, moles, mice, caterpillars, bees, on and on. All of these animals die for plant based diets.
Doctorate in Biology. You are clueless about a Physiological detail known as the Central Nervous System and conflating with the error of eqivalency.
Carnivores conflate. Have been growing vegetables longer than you have been on this planet. "In their eyes"- are you really that dense??
Middle class the world and country are not, not even close. Besides, even if the masses could afford the elite cuts, the planet can not. RFK would do far better just getting the chemicals out of our food, both plant and animal. Then we can all eat cake, even the grass fed carnivore cake that RFK showed off.
Really? Healthy animals with "one bad day"?
Howz about stop the killing?/
Healthy, absolutely!
I like my beef, chicken, and pork to come from healthy animals, as opposed to industrialized farms where the animals are sick and diseased.
Then I can feel good, as I cut into that medium rare steak or chow on that fabulous chicken or pork steak!
Yummy 😋! I just love to bite into that juicy meat! So Good!
thank you for outing thyself
The word good is worth unpacking, it derives from God
What exactly did Jesus say about burnt offerings??
I am not making "burnt offerings!"
Watch out! Using the name of Jesus Christ for evil doings is blasphemy!
Read the Bible!
People have eaten meat for thousands of years!
Are you saved?
I can lead you to the way of salvation!
You sound very lost!
Jesus Loves You!
Thanks for speaking the truth. It is so unfortunate that MAHA is destroying itself by promoting the beef and dairy and pork and poultry industries!
Secretary Kennedy is not promoting meat "industries!"
Show me one place where he promotes these meat "industries!"
He promotes "healthy" foods!
Not processed!
Not industrialized!
Healthy Foods!
Natural Foods!
Non-toxic Foods!
did you look at the graphic of the food pyramid, or did you see his birthday cake? If that isn’t promotion, I don’t know what is. RFK is on a meat kick these days according to his wife.
Just a little nutritional information on beef.
Also, think about what the native Alaskans diets are like. They don't grow a lot of veggies and fruits there.
https://www.beefitswhatsfordinner.com/nutrition/beef-nutrients
Really? why don't you trot out the stranded on the desert island argument? or move to Alaska, their life span is about 3 decades
😆 🤣 😂
try reading the longest and largest dietary study in history, 30 years of collecting data-THE CHINA STUDY. Every major disease increases in direct proportion to the amount of animal protein consumed. But the vitamin content wasn't really my point. Those nutrients can be found in varied plant based too. My point was more about the poison within the modern meat industry in the in-sustainability of feeding billions of people on a carnivore diet.
China! Seriously?
I eat mainly meat. I am 65 years old, 5'6", and 110 lbs. I have had this diet my entire life. I trust my body, not crap science.
Quite a few folks are getting on the "meat kick" these days. God bless RFK Jr, for knowing the truth about the top choice value of eating meat.
Sheila is bereft of Wisdom and devoid of knowledge...
Meat is an euphemism for slabs of dead animal.
Whether you like it or not the vast majority is industry.
There is nothing "healthy" about eating adrenaline filled
dead animal flesh.
I 100% agree with you. I am limited to 750 words or I'd go on and on and CAFO meat and the miserable life it leads. I have been eating 100% grass fed, pastured meat for the past 20 years.
Thanks for mentioning the obvious. Social Justice peeps are gonna crow about "free" range and pasture or "one bad day"
The environmental consequences for carnism are well known.
MAHA is waffling due to lack of knowledge about health.
This is interesting. HOWEVER, while concern about esoteric products from the shelves of Whole Foods, like plant-based "meat," vitamin supplements, and the special needs of vegans, are valid, these are concerns of the "choir" (educated, upper-middle class folks and their wanna-be's), not the congregation. The congregation is much of the rest of the country (who voted, BTW, for Trump), who eat take-out or microwavable crap in their cars on their way to and from work or schlepping kids along endless exurban roads. They never learned about food themselves (broken homes, no home ec class, lots of contrary advertising) and are obese (which in the USA tracks education.) Spending time and ink on the concerns of people like RFK Jr, who are fixated on what goes into their mouths, just gives Democrats another page from their old playbook, about Kennedy being an elitist who doesn't know how real people live. I suggest that MAHA spend more time copying Martha Stewart and her ilk, showing people how easy and tasty it is to eat simply; you don't need time or knowledge to grab an apple and a few slices of cheese (and maybe a slice of bread, God forgive us) instead of a frozen burrito. Get the food industry out of food altogether and go back to the farmers (and while I'm at it, get the sports club and athletic industries out of exercise altogether and go back to parks and back yards).
I agree with you about eating simply. But, Lynn, the whole idea (for RFK, Jr. and MAHA) is to get "real people" to eat real food. I wouldn't equate my lifelong interest in healthful nutrition with a fixation on what goes into my mouth. You're going a little overboard.
If a person decides to follow a plant-based diet, you would think it’s because they don’t want to eat meat (or dairy, etc.). Why would they want to eat something that resembles meat? My guess is they miss the “flavor” or “texture” of meat and want a substitute. If that is the case, they are only fooling themselves. I know only two people who were hard-core vegans. Absolutely no meat, fish, eggs or dairy. One was my cousin, who after being vegan for a year, became malnourished and lost so much weight she was hospitalized. After that she decided to go back to a normal diet. The other was a friend who was vegan for over 5 years and died of cancer.
Exactly! That's what I thought as a vegan--for 10 years. Why eat fake meat when I stopped eating meat? I too was very malnourished in spite of really working to eat healthy, whole organic foods. My body could not absorb all the nutrients without meat.
That is a good point. Decades ago when the veggie burgers were front row the answer was for those "transitioning" from dead cow.
I know and have consulted with hundreds of vegans. Without question they are in general healthier. There is no "hard core" There is choice and over standing.
Normal? Eating dead animals does not qualify.
Apparently you dont know enough vegans who have been vegan for long. In my late 20's to my 30's I was a vegan. I was very careful about planning what I ate, eating only high quality nutritious real foods, organic greens, organic beans and other veggies, and planning out proper amino acid combos, etc. After 10 years, I had broken teeth, a face full of acne, no energy, depression, anxiety, low thyroid, yeast infections, bladder infections, rashes, severe anemia, gluten issues and more. When the dr told me I was severely anemic, I went immediately back to eating red meat and followed a Paleo diet and was almost instantly better from everything that ailed me. Now at 66, my labs are perfect,(including cholesterol, weight and nutrient levels) and my dr is astounded. I am also a lifelong athlete and my athletic performance was vastly improved when I started eating meat. I was able to become a #2 in the country ranked bike racer. I only eat 100% grass fed beef, and wild caught fish, free range pastured poultry. I am conscious of the issues with our modern meat industry and I do my best to stay healthy and eat sustainably, but I will not sacrifice my health and well being.
Tried them when they first came out: tasted fake: figured they were worse than meat, just chemicals. I trust REAL lamb most these days. I’m suspicious of harmful additives in beef.
Home-made alt-meats are nutritious options. Seitan, made from washing the protein glutens out of wheat flour can easily be done at home and lends itself to all sorts of delicious alt-meat dishes. Buddhist monks have been eating this for centuries. Tempeh, myco-fermented soybeans, discovered in Indonesia, is another great high protein alt-meat food. I cook a variety of high protein meals with both.
Carnivores are only interested in "good news about their bad habits" to quote
Dr. John McDougall
I find that any diet tribe including vegans, carnivores high carb, low carb, insect-eaters, whatever, etc who insist on dogma first are never truly interested in true health they just want to be right.
There are a few plant based “meats” that are actually good both in tasty and nutritional value. Gardein chicken strips are a staple in our organic/ vegan household and a small company out of Chicago named Upton’s Naturals makes a seitan which is basically a sausage that tastes awesome. Ingredients are water, vital wheat gluten, soy sauce, apple cider vinegar, garlic, guajillo, oregano, sea salt, onion, cumin, black pepper.
yes and we need more like this. MAHA would do best by removing chemicals, wherever they are in the food and leave the food pyramid to us. Most foods
coming from the earth have
benefit. As granny says, all things in moderation.
and that is exactly what has occurred
Thimerosal (Mercury) from the quaxcines, Aluminum in the crosshairs
Fluorine from public water.
If and when glyphosate is removed RFK can retire.
I’d add geo engineering to the list before retirement and about a thousand other chemical additives.
Well, I'm glad for your family, but I have been a vegetarian in years past and I will always prefer an occasional local, grass-fed ribeye to "meat."
I’m not trying to influence anyone’s eating habits. I don’t care what other people do. I just put that out there for anyone who wishes they could find a healthy and enjoyable meat substitute.
O or trying to
My goodness, the description of these foods is gross. I'll stick to real meat, thank you.