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Barbara Charis's avatar

Chemicals, like those in glyphosate don't belong in the human body. Big Ag has no desire to promote crops from organic farming, which should be available for everyone. However, big bucks going into deep pockets influence the use of the toxic pesticides and inadequate fertilizer products that are being used in farming. The nutrient-poor and pesticide-rich food in the American diet is harming the entire nation. Americans spend more on medicine and treatments than any other country. America has gone downhill mentally and physically in the last 75 years. The health of the soil is of maximum importance...and it is being destroyed. Using pesticides kills the organisms in the soil, which provide nutrients to the crops. Consumers are paying for food that has no nutritional value. The health of the people should be taken into consideration. The EPA is not doing the job it is supposed to do...protecting the environment and all life..

LoganRun's avatar

Just like DDT

Took 40 years to rid ourselves of it!

John Day MD's avatar

DDT made the eggs with baby eagles break.

It smelled sweet when they were fogging the mosquitoes and I ran in the fog as a kid.

Truth Seeker's avatar

And somehow you are still among us, unlike Rachel Carson who published Silent Spring, in 1962. Had we learned the lesson of toxic pesticides (or herbicides), then it would not have been early. The failures are patently obvious are they not??

Shelly947's avatar

Why don’t all these scientists studying glysophate and the harms it supposedly causes (I truly don’t know, I’ve read both sides of this) focus instead on coming up with a better product for farmers to use?

Because the thing is, glysophate works so well, that they aren’t going to quit using it. And if the litigation industry successfully sues Bayer into oblivion… well, guess what? They make it in China too. And you can bet your pearly buttons they don’t go through the same safety hoops and testing in China that the German and American Bayer company does.

So let’s focus all this great science on creating something BETTER that farmers can use!

John Day MD's avatar

European farmers don't use glyphosate. They grow nice food crops. They get adequately paid to do so.

The pay for products is the issue. Glyphosate makes massive monoculture farming cheaper. That increases the power of grain-as-a-weapon, which Nixon/Kissinger initiated, and it keeps Americans quieter by supplying cheap fast-food that they can readily afford.

Glyphosate is primarily a very long lasting broad-spectrum antimicrobial that sterilizes soil and lasts for years, but what it is sold for is killing most plants, which it also does.

Catherine Ebeling's avatar

Actually european farmers do use glyphosate, its just much less. I dont think they use it to dessicate crops like we do.

John Day MD's avatar

It varies somewhat by country, and Poland is more permissive than France and Germany, I see. Europe tests for it in food and won't allow more than 0.1 mg/kg in any food, which seems like a lot to me. It shows up most in corn and soy.

Sorry to have been misinformed. https://www.eufic.org/en/food-production/article/is-glyphosate-banned-in-the-eu-due-to-its-harmful-effect-or-not

Root Causes's avatar

European farmers generally face tighter restrictions on glyphosate than American farmers, but it's still used extensively in parts of Europe. Farmers in some countries receive substantial income support through the Common Agricultural Policy, and they're not uniformly better paid than US farmers.

John Day MD's avatar

It is how the money is applied that makes various products available in our world.

Ag.Sec. Earl Butz, under Nixon-Kissinger had the mantra to farmers, "get big or get out". The American grain weapon was effectively put into play during years that Russian and even Chinese harvests were poor, and in general it put small farmers across the world, including the US, out of business.

Root Causes's avatar

You misstate your basic premises.

"European farmers don't use glyphosate."

National and EU subsidies play significant roles. Migrant labor use is different. And EU statements consistently report farm incomes remain significantly below average incomes in broader EU economies.

Truth Seeker's avatar

Glyphosate is a chelator binding postively charged cations, that are nutrients. Without them plants die quickly. Glyphosate does not break down despite the dishonest assurances of Monsanto, now Bayer. As you point out the net effect is microbial death, the exact opposite of living soil. Those with expertise in Organic growing methods were always correct whether they could explain the chemistry or biology at the time.

Catherine Ebeling's avatar

Was just listening to Zach Bush discuss glyphosate and the chain of harms it causes all the way up the ladder. It's astounding really how destructive that chemical is.

Praise Dear Leader's avatar

Its main target is the shikimate pathway in plants, algae, and many fungi and bacteria. Animals lack this pathway, son it's selectively toxic to plants.

It has activity against some microorganisms under certain conditions. It does not "sterilize soil." And you're overstating its persistence.

John Day MD's avatar

"Studies show that glyphosate can persist in soil for weeks, months, and in some cases, even longer. The commonly cited half-life of glyphosate in soil varies widely — from as little as 2 days to as long as 197 days, depending on temperature, microbial activity, pH, and other factors. In some agricultural systems with regular spraying, there’s barely enough time between applications for residues to fully degrade.

This creates a situation where glyphosate can accumulate—not just as glyphosate itself, but also as its main breakdown product, AMPA (aminomethylphosphonic acid), which is also toxic and even more persistent in soil and water systems." https://nomoreglyphosate.nz/glyphosate-soil-accumulation/

Praise Dear Leader's avatar

Fine - oversimplifying and overstating. Doesn't sterilize soul for years.

Persistence is highly variable. It binds strongly to some soils, which can reduce its biological availability. Its environmental half-life varies substantially with soil, climate, microbial activity, and other conditions. It does not generally remain biologically active for years.

John Day MD's avatar

That is not my statement, but an excerpt from that linked source.

I also acknowledgeyour provisos as stated.

Truth Seeker's avatar

What you read, Shelly, on the plus side is propaganda. Unfortunately you did not know the difference... Why do you think that is???

Shelly947's avatar

I’m not asking for anyone to tell me what to think. I am suggesting they come up with something better to replace what they think is harmful.

Truth Seeker's avatar

No one would know that. You stated that you read "both" sides of this ...

You said "supposedly causes" That is pure ig-norance. That means to ignore Shelly.

All are entitled to opinion, many better left in the confines of that mind.

Root Causes's avatar

Two of that paper’s authors are at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. CHD waving around papers from Offit’s corrupt overlords.

Lysenko's avatar

You're reporting a study from an Elsevier publication. I thought they’re “The marketing arm of Big Pharma / Big AG.”

jan's avatar

Why are some comments being "hidden? Then when you "unhide" them they do not allow likes or replies. What is the purpose of this feature?

Truth Seeker's avatar

"is now showing up in the urine of more than 80% of Americans "

This is not news, the toxin has been widely exposed for several decades.

The fact that it shows up in pee, was not news 20 years ago.

The fact that it caused cancer in ruminant animals known for a similar period.

It would be newsworthy to explain the mechanism of action. There are details.

It is used both as herbicide and dessicant.

Former Dems could then clamor for more regulation.

Apparently MAHA wants credit for the outing. It may be true that this is "news"

to those who write these articles, hopefully not as that is health illiteracy.

The fact is that the herbicide is used to dessicate grains primarily fed to animals that

most think are food... Chose wisely now as before.

The Gubmint is not going to save you with more regulations, the responsibility for personal health falls on every shoulder.

The most rement study is simply confirmation, in a late to the party manner...

jan's avatar

How about applying the same rigor to vaccine testing? No because it would show their preventative uselessness and ultimate harm. All lip service until corporations put people over profit. And since they have no morality it would have to be driven by incentives

Lysenko's avatar

This observational exposure study utilizes far less “vigorous” (you were going for rigorous) design and analyses than vaccine trials.

jan's avatar

I was! Sorry for that typo and thanks for the correction 👍

Daniel Murphy's avatar

Glyphosate is a poison. This poison is found in our urine and umbilical fluid of newborns. There’s been research showing a link between glyphosate and celiac disease and other chronic gut issues. The doctor tells the patient to ‘stay away from gluten’ but gluten isn’t really the problem, it’s the glyphosate sprayed on the wheat as a desiccant, that is bringing illness. Our USDA, FDA and EPA all know this but, do NOTHING to protect our children and collective health of American citizens. They will say there’s “No link” or “more study is needed” which never happen. If it does, the findings take a decade or two, sometimes three, and are always “inconclusive” and the poisoning continues unabated. We must understand that to the industry controlled federal agencies - our lives are seen as data points of no significance other than the amount of money which can be mined from our bank accounts to be received into theirs. We refer to this as ‘corporate capture.’ To me corporate capture is code for unbridled fascism. Bernie Sanders has been telling us we’re becoming an oligarchy, but can’t bring himself to use the “F word.” All we have to do is look at the two party system, perfectly designed for consistent divisive politics brought by corporate money, vitriolic rhetoric and tired narratives, a failed journalism media, which prevent us from bringing focus to those injecting us with toxins from the ‘safe and effective vaccines’ and food and the medicines we take to combat the poisons. Which as we know ‘are in fact poison.’ We need to be honest with ourselves and acknowledge the corporate enemies of humanity and begin to call this what it is: full blown fascism.