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Rachel Roberts's avatar

As an independent voter who often voted Democrat, I am personally thrilled to see this bipartisan crossover. You would think my liberal friends would also be elated to have a lifelong Democrat like RFKJr (someone they hailed as a hero for several decades) overseeing and pushing for these changes. Unfortunately, their amygdalas cannot allow them to see past blue or red. It's uncanny.

Daniel's avatar

It's uncanny? Not really. It is logically consistent with who they are, how they operate, what the world is about according to an ideology they respond to and adopt. It's about power, identity, and uncontrolled lust. Lust for wealth, for power and for recognition of virtues they seldom have but always claim. I used to think the ideology rotted their minds. That's only partially true. The real point is that we all, as we mature out of infancy, out of childhood and then adolescence, find ideas that please us, that resonate with us that make us feel aligned with our 'selves.' It's not that the ideology makes them who they are but that who they are accounts for the ideology they adopt and want to call their own. They are control freaks who think if they are right [and they are never wrong] then they have the right, should be granted the right, to tell everyone else how to behave.

Let's say you are a person who finds racism, not just stupid, counter productive but ugly. It's a thing that has no place in your life and you want to work to see it ended in your environment. It would be difficult to find a person in the West who disagreed with that. It would be easy to find countries around the world who are filled to the brim with racists. How does a Progressive process this? They want to accuse the West of racism while ignoring it worldwide. In fact, they want to blame the West for its existence in other parts of the world as though it only exists in these paradisical states as a result of Western policies, in spite of how much history current and ancient that has to be denied and hidden to maintain that utterly ridiculous notion. This is not the psychology of a healthy human being. This is the psychology of a person looking for two things: the unearned and an object to hate. The degree of their hate is the degree of their virtue. Or so they think. [The only thing about a Progressive that isn't phony is their hate. It is very real]. And declarations of hate, statements about what you are against, are easy, require little thought, and no action, but are met with nods of approval from your fellow travelers, thus you have unearned virtue.

Ted's avatar

"It's uncanny."

True, but it can be traced back to its origins.

As the organic food movement went from the "J.I. Rodale" boutique phase, to an industry, the focus of concentration pivoted from the reality of abundant wholesome food to the symbol; money. In the usual fashion, people served their self-interest and sought their own idea of a "holy grail." The outcomes were entirely predictable.

For those of us who are independent voters, there is an underlying principle involved: individualism. The corollary is conscience; voting one's conscience when selecting an individual with the power to make us obey their diktats.

I have no data from which to make a properly-supported assertion about it, but anecdotally; it seems to me that those very same "crunchy granola" liberals who touted liberty and individualism alongside me in the seventies and eighties, have largely abandoned liberalism true.

We all mocked Nixon together, back in the day, but beneath that mockery was an inchoate hatred, for many of us. Beneath the "peace and love" narrative, was a river of hatred and an unadmitted pursuit of personal gain.

I think it all came full circle for me, back in the eighties, when I did a stint in the organic foods business. It had gone from roadside produce stands, to the same principles and processes as any other business.

Now, we have this river of inchoate hatred for anything associated with President Trump. I think you're spot-on by identifying the reactivity as amygdalic. There is a great deal of behavioral science involved with turning tribalistic hatred into a political weapon. Pavlov, Skinner and Stoddard demonstrated the methodology involved with implantation of adaptive learning and behavior conditioning stimuli, and those stimuli are obvious all 'round.

In fairness, it's worth remembering that the organism that fails to serve its self-interest, perishes. That doesn't excuse the Machiavellianism, but it allows for a certain cautious level of compassion toward those now reacting like Pavlov's dogs or Skinner's rats.

Maria A's avatar

Excellent essay, Courtney Hunt! Thank you. We ignore the naysayers and carry on…

Captain Jessica's avatar

Ive lost 1/2 of my organic groupie friends, their hatred for Trump/Kennedy

has ruined their brains/soul. They dont care about toxins in va$$ines, the Govt making foods

healthier, stopping dangerous wind turbines, cleaning up the public hell-th fraud etc...

I cannot understand them.

Strange.

Evil has taken hold of them, thats the only thing that makes sense.

Letsrock's avatar

Good, maybe in their ignorant spitefulness they will remove themselves from the picture entirely.

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

"Dangerous wind turbines". THE PHUK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

Captain Jessica's avatar

Yes, they kill birds and wild seafood, scallops shells are moving from traditional grounds, fish are moving from traditional fishing grounds, whales washed ashore DEAD.

are you paying attention yet?

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

Got any credible sources?

FOSSIL FUELS KILL THOUSANDS OF TIMES MORE.

Captain Jessica's avatar

i talk to local fisherman and fish stores. Whale data is publicly available, DO THE RESEARCH.

Where is research that fossil fuels kill scallops, haddock and whales?

You have been programmed to hate oil?

its take lots of oil to make a wind turbine, so we can only use oil for that?

you get to decide what oil is used for?

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

I'm still waiting on your credible sources…..

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

Fossil fuels are killing ALL life on Earth. You cretin.

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

Sucking fossil fuel cock in broad daylight is a terrible look....

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

IT should be used to end the extraction of fossil fuels.

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

YOU made the claims. Therefore it is YOUR responsibility to lend them credibility. Obviously you can't. LOL

John Droz's avatar

Thank you for a fine article. What should be made clear is that a great deal of this divisiveness is rooted in what is being taught to our children in K-12 education.

Children should be taught HOW to think, specifically how to be Critical Thinkers. NONE of that is being done in US K-12 public schools. Worse, children are actually being trained to be the opposite of Critical Thinkers: to be conformists.

US children are not only taught WHAT to think, but the what is steeped in progressive ideology.

About 4 million students graduate from US high schools every year. Most of them soon become voting citizens.

You figure out what will happen when 3± million voters who have been propagandized with progressive ideology, and who are trained to be lemmings, are added EVERY YEAR.

Now tell me why no major US Conservative organization is doing anything meaningful about this? In other words we have effectively abandoned what is taught to our children (the curriculum) to the Left. I seem to be one of a handful of people fighting this (e.g., see my substack <https://criticallythinking.substack.com/p/superior-videos-about-critical-thinking>.)

The tsunami is in sight, so we need to wake up and stop this travesty.

Daniel's avatar

In your efforts you might find Jean Piaget, John Holt and John Taylor Gatto allies with much to say about the development and education of children that is ammunition against a pervasive and ugly ideology that the Left has created.

I home schooled my children to protect them from the propaganda of the Left. Home schooling has a great deal to recommend it. National tests of home schooled children finds them not only ahead of their public school peers academically, both in depth and breadth, but also on tests of psychological health, maturity and their ability to engage with adults, with people in general. Growing up free from being pounded and shaped into someone else's image of what one should be is enormously advantageous to the growth of a healthy psyche, to the exploration of one's talents and assets, to the growth of creativity and the essential nature of one's being. Of course, to the Left, everyone is just so many pounds of clay to be molded by them into the perfect Soviet human or the perfect moral being. Look at how rabidly the Left [moniker of the Progressive] hate and oppose school choice, support school unions [whose thoughts about childhood welfare and education are minimal if at all] and do everything they can to keep children chained to mediocrity and the 'hive' mind as long as the 'hive' mind is dutifully Progressive. Is there any area of life that shows Progressives as being more unbelievably ugly and destructive than any sane human would think is possible than that of childhood education?

John Droz's avatar

Daniel: TY for the historical references. What I am looking for are current warriors committed to fixing this scourge.

TeeJae's avatar

Ever since the scamdemic opened the eyes of so many parents to what their children were being taught in public K-12, there has been a tidal wave of alternative education initiatives: not just a marked increase in homeschooling, but also a lot more co-ops, private schools, charters, and microschools; along with legislation initiatives for school choice/vouchers and advocacy organizations to support them.

Rest assured, this parallel system of education is rising up to meet the demand for alternatives to the public system. I know because I founded a microschool in 2022 (and am thus directly dialed into the alternative Ed arena), and we can't grow fast enough to meet the demand. It's been both exhilarating and encouraging.

John Droz's avatar

TJ: Good that you are involved. The problem remains: what do private schools, home schools, etc. use for curriculum materials — e.g., for K-12 Science?

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

Turn off NEWS FOR DUMBFOX

David Truman's avatar

''The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of a passionate intensity. '

William Butler Yeats.

Jennifer's avatar

It would be funny to watch if it weren't a rather serious matter!

John Wright's avatar

Break out the popcorn and enjoy the show. Laughter is healthy!

Jennifer's avatar

Agreed! but pregnant women downing Tylenol, and children subjected to 70 vaccinations, mutilation, etc. is not fun to contemplate.

John Wright's avatar

It is terrible! Humans need to wake up and stop being manipulated by politics!

Jennifer's avatar

If only we could help them. My personal failure rate is 100%. Some eyes are opening, however, and maybe it will start to snowball.

John Wright's avatar

It's pretty hard to help others. They need to want to help themselves. Too many of them want to prove a point with their own stupidity.

Tee Rigodanzo's avatar

Actually Jennifer your personal rate is 100% success. Hold on as they all come running back to you for help.

John Wright's avatar

Health isn't political. The government should have *nothing* to do with health. But since the tyrants have forced illness upon us and stolen our money in the name of health, well... it does creep into the political world.

RFK did run for President so he is tainted a bit with politics.

But yes, health should have nothing to do with politics.

Living Well Locally's avatar

This is so sadly true. The vaccine issue along with intense dislike and distrust of President Trump seen to lie at the root of why many progressive liberals cannot endorse the positive progress being made on health. Along with corporate influencing against Mr Kennedy.

Annie's avatar

Liberalism is a mental illness.

Daniel's avatar

Not Liberalism, which is the philosophy that arose after centuries of enduring authoritarianism and whose truths are still true. Liberalism is not of the left and not of the Democrat party. Democrats are authoritarians, they are 'True Believers' in the omnipotence of government power as long as the levers of power are in their hands. One might say that that is the definition, the alpha and omega of what an Authoritarian is. So instead of misidentifying the Left as Liberals, which they are decidedly NOT, [they have nothing in common with John Locke, Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine or the Enlightenment, or any of the philosophers who were Liberals writing from the 17th century on] call them by their correct name, Progressives, who live in the image of the first full blown Authoritarian and Progressive in the US, Woodrow Wilson, who should go down in infamy for the Progressive, Fascist, Authoritarian beliefs he infused his policies with and brought to the White House and to our country.

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

As if the GOP is Conservative? Lol

Daniel's avatar

Many are not. They are squishy. Hard to define. Some mix of belief in the Guaranteed freedoms of the Constitution combined with weak Constitutions of their own and a hint of intellectual capacity. I certainly wouldn't call John McCain or Mitt Romney or Bob Dole Conservative but all were put forward by the RNC as legitimate candidates for President. Another, George Bush, was elected as President and he was also no conservative. Not even economically. The Republican party, has at its core, MUSH. A beef stew with almost no beef and a lot of limp vegetables whose political philosophies might be described as a center willing to compromise on anything surrounded by intellectual confusion and lots of ignorance about the American Project but willing to use whatever language consultants and party bigwigs can get them to use in the service of those consultants own interests. But, often, too often, the Republican candidate for President is the far lesser of two evils, as is the Republican party. That is a sick joke on the American people. We can pick the Dem party and their candidates, who are certain that a mob Democracy with them in charge of the government and all the corruption it's capable of, with their authoritarian government culture and 'the experts know best so just shut up, sit down and remember to vote for us or else' attitude or we can vote for MUSH.

Hudson E Baldwin lll's avatar

LOL you just described the GOP.

They are both TERRIBLE. NOT opposition but partners in a global crime syndicate.

Daniel's avatar

Describe MN to me. Tell me who the players are. Please.

Letsrock's avatar

And willful ignorance.

Valerie Grimes's avatar

I ended a friendship of 10 years after he told me I was "willfully ignorant" for backing RFK Jr, he attached a piece from NPR where that term was used. Prior to that he spent months sending me hateful messages about RFK Jr and when I asked him to finally stop, that is when he said that, I have not had any contact in nearly a year.

Letsrock's avatar

Typical liberal leftist to accuse someone else of what they themselves are guilty of. Anyone spouting NPR and demeaning RFKj would certainly not have lasted 10 mins let alone 10 yrs w me. Sounds like a real jackass.

Valerie Grimes's avatar

The first 6 years he was ok, the CV thing pushed him over the edge, he and I really didn't talk much after he realized I wasn't vaxxed. But yes, he really is and probably always was a JA. :)

Living Well Locally's avatar

Could it be seen as an idealogue's mindset of unquestioning belief in the power of science, technology, and government to save us?

Daniel's avatar

That is the mind of a member of the HIVE. Or what is best known as the Democrat party.

Annie's avatar

That's a big part of it.

John Wright's avatar

What is amusing is the conservatives accuse RFK of being liberal, while the liberals accuse RFK of being tainted by being part of the Trump administration. The collective public can't make up their minds!

The Scam Doctor's avatar

I don't care what his politics are, I just care that he can't even read a scientific study:

https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/how-to-cherry-pick-data-to-scam-people?r=6hgshq

Daniel's avatar

I don't think conservatives do that. I think those people who are not identified as Left wing, Liberal, Progressives do. But I haven't heard one 'conservative' speak ill of JFKjr.

Daniel's avatar

If I'm wrong please give me a source showing that I'm wrong.

Rosanne Aragona's avatar

Thank you for putting into words the feeling that I do believe most people are align with. There are always those who seem to oppose, but those who do are not looking for their health to expand based on what MAHA is trying to do.

Sonia Nordenson's avatar

That was not my aunt, but my mother! An early California health nut--for which I'm so grateful! I continued to follow her ideas, and now I'm healthy at 79. No prescriptions!

Charles Krieger's avatar

While one cannot help but agree with the spirit of Ms. Hunt's assertion, reality unfortunately, says otherwise.

For nearly a century the chiropractic profession has been aware that the opposite of Ms. Hunt's desire for rationality and fairness is the rule . To this day, despite scads of clinical evidence, doctors of chiropractic cannot advertise that chiropractic care can help with a variety of conditions that the government decrees may only be handled with pharmaceuticals.

Once the government decided to insert itself, via the Flexner report over a century ago, into the process of determining what does and does not qualify as "health care", or to what extent free American citizens might use their paid for insurance benefits to cover the health care services they choose to use for themselves and their families, the politicization of MAHA was baked into the cake.

Indeed, it was quite instructive, from a psychological viewpoint, to observe leftist doctors of chiropractic dissolve into puddles of cognitive dissonance as they attempted to balance their loyalty to the democrat party of 2024 with the reality of said party's open and vitriolic hostility to the science and principles of the chiropractic profession.

Of course hypocrisy, or at the very least, willful ignorance, is not confined to one side. We are told that we are in the midst of a health care affordability crisis. We are supposed to believe that politicians on both sides have their sleeves rolled up as they sit stroking their chins in brow-furrowed concentration trying to determine how to handle this situation. And yet despite the miles of files of both clinical and research data showing the obviousness of chiropractic's viability as a means of taking a significant chunk out of our nation's health care expenditures, all we hear regarding chiropractic care is a deafening chorus of crickets.

Why? I'm not sure. But I'm thinking it's because politics is influencing MAHA. The same former granola-head, ex-hippies who 10 years ago thought that the sun rose and set out of RFK's baby blue irises as he proved the toxicity of mercury are now slavering with hate filled rage because their grandkids might not receive 82 vaccines before they leave high school! And gee, what bloc votes the most? It sure as hell isn't the black masked Antifa dweebs who melt into festering pools of shrieking fear when hauled into custody. Nope, it's the boomer radicals who switched sides faster than the French government in 1940.

One of my favorite quotes is, and I might be paraphrasing a bit, "you might not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you". You might think that MAHA isn't political and should remain so, but that's not what the politicians think.

Ted Kuntz's avatar

Well said Courtney. Its tragic that our family and friends can't embrace good health practices and scientific accountability because of who is advocating for these changes. They have lost their way and are behaving irrationally rather than celebrating the values they once stood for. We need to better understand how these individuals are being controlled because they seem to have "lost their minds".

Gene Frenkle's avatar

The Covid vaccines turned out to be extremely safe and more than effective enough in mitigating severity. That means RFK jr is wrong about HIV meds causing AIDS and he’s wrong about Covid vaccines being deadly.

TeeJae's avatar

I hope you're being facetious. Otherwise, if after all this time, and all the evidence that has come out, you STILL believe that nonsense, you probably don't belong here with the MAHA crowd.

Gene Frenkle's avatar

Do you believe HIV meds cause AIDS?

Gayle's avatar

As an independent I saw from the beginning that RFK Jr was spreading a message that was needed in our country where politics was more important than people. His clear vision of “for the people” was maligned by one party and ignored for a period of time by the other. I’m not sure that the party that brought RFK Jr into their fold did it all for Mr Kennedy’s vision, but I’m glad they did for the progress toward a healthier America.

Phil Silberman's avatar

Dear Ms Hunt and all of my MAHA friends,

May I suggest that the "Left's" enthusiasm for "organic food, natural products, and a toxin-free lifestyle" be used as bridge rather than a cudgel?

Contrary to this essay, these values and habits did not make anyone "proudly progressive" but were frequently adopted by those of us who were (and still are) progressive. These values have not been dismissed by the Left. No one that I know is "willing to completely abandon their long-held ideals simply because they refuse to support Trump". These ideals are, with certain exceptions, still embraced. Most of my life-long "hippie" friends are still advocates of organic gardening, healthy diets and lifestyles, mindfulness and spirituality, holistic and alternative medicine, and a profound respect for nature. There has been no "political reversal" of these ideals. In fact, one could say that now, with more and conservative folk embracing these ideals, that health could be seen as a unifying, rather than divisive, factor.

Where it breaks down, of course, is the issue of vaccines. While in many ways the left's embrace of vaccines baffles me, it seems that the pretense of "the greater good" is a prime motivating factor. Many are willing to eschew their innate and well-founded distrust of transnational corporations because they have been convinced that vaccine manufactures stand alone among rapacious capitalists as being paragons of beneficence and altruism. I know people who will not eat a Dorito because it has GMO corn in it but will willingly inject synthetic, petroleum based, fully genetically engineered, irrevocable products into their bodies because it is the "right thing to do" for society. Does this make them worthy of scorn and derision? No. Scorn, derision, and finger wagging is not going to help shift the conversation. What will shift the conversation is meeting on common ground and having heart to heart, human conversations there.

TeeJae's avatar

It makes sense. However, what I (and it seems many others) have experienced is that due to their blind religious-like faith in the vaccine paradigm, they are not even willing to have that "heart to heart conversation," and instead reflexively close their eyes, ears, and mouth, a la '3 Monkeys Syndrome.'