There are some good chiropractors. I would love to see Naturalpathic Doctors added. They go thru the same education as regular Doctors, plus additional nutrition etc.
They absolutely do not go through anywhere close to the same education as medical doctors. They get nowhere close to the nutrition education of a Registered Dietitian.
You are without clue. A reg. dietician is a lackey for industry. Have been to their trade show in Chicago several times. Takes 3 hours to walk the "show".
Junk food perveyors have long lines, giving out prizes like oreos and nutter butter...
The presentations vary. John McDougall spoke one year to the utter amazement of clueless mostly overweight "dieticians"
Naturopaths have the soundest educational backgroud steeped the philosophy of health. Chiropractors most definitely have more than adequate basic nutrition to include the nutritional prevention and amelioration of chronic degenerative dis-ese.
Medical Doctors are nutritionally illiterate by comparison opting the the
presciption pad... Worse than unacceptable. People are voting with their feet.
I have been under chiropractic care for over 50 years. So many people think it's quackery buying into the AMA propaganda. It makes perfect sense that all the nerves run through the spinal cord for a reason(protection) Many of my acquaintances feel that joint replacement is normal.
Prevention through spinal manipulation can allow nerve flow to extremities leading to better health, balance and reduction in falls
The spinal cord carries information from the body to brain and back again. When it has interference, like a pinched nerve, it affects many other parts of the body.
That's pseudoscientific rhetoric. Enjoy some more ...
"Healthy circulation isn't just about blood. The body also depends on the efficient movement of bioelectrical signals, which can become congested over time."
"The fascia forms a continuous information network throughout the body. Restrictions in one area can disrupt wellness in distant regions."
"The body's communication pathways rely on uninterrupted energy flow. Even subtle blockages can create ripple effects throughout multiple organ systems."
"Small imbalances in the nervous system can gradually throw the body's natural healing rhythms out of sync, leading to seemingly unrelated symptoms."
"Every cell has a vibrational signature. When those frequencies become misaligned, the body struggles to maintain optimal function."
I've been practicing supposed to 40 years and all I see is better health outcome and all my patients and you can take that to the bank evidence you speak of I see it everyday my friend
It hasn't. The evidence is sparse, and that's for problems within their purview. Even the single study Klar cited - “Impact of Chiropractic Care on Use of Prescription Opioids in Patients with Spinal Pain," failed to account for selection bias and multiple residual confounders.
But most US chiropractors claim to address just about every medical issue. It's unfortunate they've turned their own profession into cash-extracting quackery.
There is no such thing as a "medical issue" there exist multiple health failures.
The province of Medicine is Emergency care, Surgical procedures, and some infectious dis-ease if they exist. Root Causes attempts a citation, Pain "Medicine"
The Medical Cartel has failed miserably treating pain from widespread misuse of opiods or in a worse case sceanario, nerve blocks.
That is why the chiropractic profession has endured and continues to thrive.
Prevention is the best way forward, now as before.
There are two ways Doctors of Chiropractic are discriminated against.
One is denial of coverage.
The second equally effective discrimination strategy is reimbursement rate.
For decades Chiropractic compensation has been a tiny fraction of their Medical competitors. Government attempts to regulate services, determining the definition and time increments alloted. The system is totally broken.
A strong case is made that individuals should simply pay for needed or desired care.
There is no such thing as "chiropractic medicine", that term is self contradictory.
Seeing the ICA and the ACA joining forces is a first.
Doctors of Chiropractic and Medical Doctors have a nearly identical education in the basic sciences.
Chiropractors have many courses in Nutrition. Medical Doctors by training are illiterate in nutrition often totally biased against, opting for the script pad. Post grad ed that is nutrition orientated is common in the Chiropractic profession.
Medical Docs are trained Pharmacology, and scripting preferentially.
In a fair world seniors should have access to licensed health care providers of choice with similar reimbursement rates. A level playing field. That day comes not soon enough.
MAHA is now collaborating in several important arenas. Bravo.
Chiropractors have gotten pretty corrupt over the years. There needs to be better regulations, I myself am suffering from the neglect actions of a Chiropractor in Twin Falls Idaho.
It seems modern chiropractors are well educated in the whole person as opposed to MD’s who often are focused in their own specialty. You know, the old Dem Bones song? The body is all connected to bring life
Chiropractors are not what they used to be, like in the 1970's and before. By the 1980's, there were fewer and fewer good, old-fashioned Chiropractors.
Back in the 1970's, Chiropractors wanted to fix you so you didn't have to go back. Now days, they want you on a permanent return schedule, at a very high cost!
You seem to misunderstand chiropractic care. It's not necessarily a one-and-done "fix-all." It can also be preventive maintenance care. Think of it like massage therapy. Sure, you could get a massage one time to work out some knots in your shoulder. But getting massages on a regular basis has so many other (preventive) health benefits. Same goes for chiropractic care... as well as acupuncture and other forms of energy medicine.
I completely understand chiropractic care, and it's not anything like it used to be five decades ago, when they actually cared about the patients. Now, it's just a big money-making scam.
Practice management consultants have reduced the quality as insurance companies put a stanglehold on practices. Chiros remove nerve interference, there are 1000 details. By the time most present for care, they have advanced degenerative arthritis.
That is not a 10 year old who fell skateboarding. The schedules advocated are for chronic problems with said degeneration.
Chiropractic and every other healing modality were eliminated from the curriculum in med schools in 1910, because of the Flexner Report. The Carnegie Foundation, which produced the report, along with John D. Rockefeller, promoted his patented petroleum-based drugs as the basis of medicine. His petroleum-based drugs were not evaluated to even see if they were effective. Petroleum was not something, which would even belong in the body. John D. Rockefeller promoted the AMA, getting doctors to join by promising them Higher Income and Prestige; nothing about better health for their patients. if nutrition had been in the curriculum, doctors would have learned that the bloodstream was designed to carry nutrients in food that would nourish the organs, glands and cells providing health and energy; any other matter would break them down. Medicare today is primarily the largest drug dealership in America.
My daughter suffered from an automobile accident for years and chiropractic adjustments helped and temporarily relieved the pain, but did not end it. She did not listen to me...I saw the way she was eating and told her that she needed to stop eating certain foods. She did not give up the foods. The chiropractor did not give her any nutrition information. Adjustments won't hold, if the ligaments are not nourished by the right food.
I would love to see this pass. I've seen a chiropractor on and off for years, who has helped me overcome back pain and sciatica, among other things. He also provides spinal decompression and physical therapy. But he doesn't take Medicare, and I can't afford him anymore. I don't know if this bill would change that.
Chiropractic care is incredibly beneficial. When I was pregnant with pelvic girdle pain and SIJ dysfunction, I had a couple weeks where I couldn’t hardly walk at all. My obgyn told me I could do a wheelchair or crutches. Recommended physical therapy. I couldn’t make any progress with PT. I found a chiropractor who specialized in pregnant women. She was a godsend. She kept me walking through my pregnancies.
I just hope that the going rate for chiropractic care doesn’t double or triple once they are included.
This is a good start but we now should have an educated discussion about the efficacy of other health interventions like Rolfing and working with Homeopathy.
Always remember the WILK case 5 DC plaintiffs won against the AMA and other medical entities accused of decades and decades on anti competitive corrupt actions.
This would be awesome! It's about time!
There are some good chiropractors. I would love to see Naturalpathic Doctors added. They go thru the same education as regular Doctors, plus additional nutrition etc.
They absolutely do not go through anywhere close to the same education as medical doctors. They get nowhere close to the nutrition education of a Registered Dietitian.
The basic science curriculae is identical. RE-read
that is true of MDs, Chiropractors, Podiatrists, Osteopaths over 3 decades ago
and increasingly or perhaps true for Naturopaths currently
The Scam Doctor is illiterate but does posts "scams"
You are without clue. A reg. dietician is a lackey for industry. Have been to their trade show in Chicago several times. Takes 3 hours to walk the "show".
Junk food perveyors have long lines, giving out prizes like oreos and nutter butter...
The presentations vary. John McDougall spoke one year to the utter amazement of clueless mostly overweight "dieticians"
Naturopaths have the soundest educational backgroud steeped the philosophy of health. Chiropractors most definitely have more than adequate basic nutrition to include the nutritional prevention and amelioration of chronic degenerative dis-ese.
Medical Doctors are nutritionally illiterate by comparison opting the the
presciption pad... Worse than unacceptable. People are voting with their feet.
I have been under chiropractic care for over 50 years. So many people think it's quackery buying into the AMA propaganda. It makes perfect sense that all the nerves run through the spinal cord for a reason(protection) Many of my acquaintances feel that joint replacement is normal.
Prevention through spinal manipulation can allow nerve flow to extremities leading to better health, balance and reduction in falls
"Prevention through spinal manipulation can allow nerve flow to extremities leading to better health, balance and ..."
There is no evidence for this, or even any physiological basis for this sort of claim.
Energy!
The spinal cord carries information from the body to brain and back again. When it has interference, like a pinched nerve, it affects many other parts of the body.
That's pseudoscientific rhetoric. Enjoy some more ...
"Healthy circulation isn't just about blood. The body also depends on the efficient movement of bioelectrical signals, which can become congested over time."
"The fascia forms a continuous information network throughout the body. Restrictions in one area can disrupt wellness in distant regions."
"The body's communication pathways rely on uninterrupted energy flow. Even subtle blockages can create ripple effects throughout multiple organ systems."
"Small imbalances in the nervous system can gradually throw the body's natural healing rhythms out of sync, leading to seemingly unrelated symptoms."
"Every cell has a vibrational signature. When those frequencies become misaligned, the body struggles to maintain optimal function."
Bioelectrical = Energy!
root brain damage is worse that low level reasoning,
it is positively sophomoric
the quotes you listed are accurate, but designed for lay people
Thank you for providing more TRUTHFUL examples!
I've been practicing supposed to 40 years and all I see is better health outcome and all my patients and you can take that to the bank evidence you speak of I see it everyday my friend
I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're talking about. Would you be more specific.
You have absolutely no idea. There are volumes of evidence.
More importantly millions of patients who know otherwise.
Evidence convinced which fool???
Trotting out the word physiological... Hows about this?
The intervertebral foramina are openinging from which all spinal nerves exit
the cord, and innervate all tissue of human anatomy.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/21946-spinal-cord
There really are clueless people, who have no idea whatsoever about the cause of health.
Joint replacement is common, now efficient, hardly normal.
Whether to correct or prevent a wide variety of declines Chiropractic is the LARGEST,
non Medical option available. Once again there is momentum.
As is true of ANY profession, competence varies...
that and improved immunity
Learning about health is multifactoral.
There is no upper limit.
It is impossible to talk about health without acknowleging the
nervous system, joints, and musculature.
The same case is made for nutrition. People like the "scam doctor"
(the stupidest name on offer) are bereft of knowledge but
happy to espouse falsehoods...
And functional medicine
That would be an absolutely massive waste. Here's why:
https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/what-is-functional-medicine?r=6hgshq
no one is well advised to follow a link posted by such a fool
Yet you've never a single comment with any substance. If I'm such a stupid fool then it should be easy to prove my points wrong.
YES!! It is proven to help many1
It hasn't. The evidence is sparse, and that's for problems within their purview. Even the single study Klar cited - “Impact of Chiropractic Care on Use of Prescription Opioids in Patients with Spinal Pain," failed to account for selection bias and multiple residual confounders.
Whedon JM, Toler AWJ, Kazal LA, Bezdjian S, Goehl JM, Greenstein J.
- Pain Medicine. 2020;21(12):3567–3573. -doi: 10.1093/pm/pnaa014
PMID: 32142140
But most US chiropractors claim to address just about every medical issue. It's unfortunate they've turned their own profession into cash-extracting quackery.
There is no such thing as a "medical issue" there exist multiple health failures.
The province of Medicine is Emergency care, Surgical procedures, and some infectious dis-ease if they exist. Root Causes attempts a citation, Pain "Medicine"
The Medical Cartel has failed miserably treating pain from widespread misuse of opiods or in a worse case sceanario, nerve blocks.
That is why the chiropractic profession has endured and continues to thrive.
Prevention is the best way forward, now as before.
Root causes is 100% without clue...
No chiros make no such claims, fools assert otherwise
There are literally hundreds of journals documenting
Your assertions are worse than meritless. You have no idea what
most chiros do, or what a racket is
Millions of patients know otherwise, thou art ar fool
There are two ways Doctors of Chiropractic are discriminated against.
One is denial of coverage.
The second equally effective discrimination strategy is reimbursement rate.
For decades Chiropractic compensation has been a tiny fraction of their Medical competitors. Government attempts to regulate services, determining the definition and time increments alloted. The system is totally broken.
A strong case is made that individuals should simply pay for needed or desired care.
There is no such thing as "chiropractic medicine", that term is self contradictory.
Seeing the ICA and the ACA joining forces is a first.
Doctors of Chiropractic and Medical Doctors have a nearly identical education in the basic sciences.
Chiropractors have many courses in Nutrition. Medical Doctors by training are illiterate in nutrition often totally biased against, opting for the script pad. Post grad ed that is nutrition orientated is common in the Chiropractic profession.
Medical Docs are trained Pharmacology, and scripting preferentially.
In a fair world seniors should have access to licensed health care providers of choice with similar reimbursement rates. A level playing field. That day comes not soon enough.
MAHA is now collaborating in several important arenas. Bravo.
Chiropractors have gotten pretty corrupt over the years. There needs to be better regulations, I myself am suffering from the neglect actions of a Chiropractor in Twin Falls Idaho.
Just because got a bad one doesn't mean the whole system needs changing. I think you need better judgement in picking a Chiropractor
You're right! Here's why the whole system needs changing:
https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/a-grocery-store-owner-invented-your?r=6hgshq
trying to drive people to your content is stupid
Chiropractors donated a significant amount of money to RFK Jr's MAHA Alliance PAC. That's why they get puff pieces here.
Worse than stupid
It seems modern chiropractors are well educated in the whole person as opposed to MD’s who often are focused in their own specialty. You know, the old Dem Bones song? The body is all connected to bring life
Chiropractors are not what they used to be, like in the 1970's and before. By the 1980's, there were fewer and fewer good, old-fashioned Chiropractors.
Back in the 1970's, Chiropractors wanted to fix you so you didn't have to go back. Now days, they want you on a permanent return schedule, at a very high cost!
You seem to misunderstand chiropractic care. It's not necessarily a one-and-done "fix-all." It can also be preventive maintenance care. Think of it like massage therapy. Sure, you could get a massage one time to work out some knots in your shoulder. But getting massages on a regular basis has so many other (preventive) health benefits. Same goes for chiropractic care... as well as acupuncture and other forms of energy medicine.
I completely understand chiropractic care, and it's not anything like it used to be five decades ago, when they actually cared about the patients. Now, it's just a big money-making scam.
What's your evidence for that claim?
I have witnessed it over the past 50+ years!
What specifically have you witnessed?
“Evidence?” .. For any of your contentions
Do you remember what doctors were like 55 years ago?
That was for TJ. She loves to SeaLion.
Practice management consultants have reduced the quality as insurance companies put a stanglehold on practices. Chiros remove nerve interference, there are 1000 details. By the time most present for care, they have advanced degenerative arthritis.
That is not a 10 year old who fell skateboarding. The schedules advocated are for chronic problems with said degeneration.
This is great. I’m with the NHF National Health Federation that saved the chiropractic profession back in the 60’s.
Chiropractic and every other healing modality were eliminated from the curriculum in med schools in 1910, because of the Flexner Report. The Carnegie Foundation, which produced the report, along with John D. Rockefeller, promoted his patented petroleum-based drugs as the basis of medicine. His petroleum-based drugs were not evaluated to even see if they were effective. Petroleum was not something, which would even belong in the body. John D. Rockefeller promoted the AMA, getting doctors to join by promising them Higher Income and Prestige; nothing about better health for their patients. if nutrition had been in the curriculum, doctors would have learned that the bloodstream was designed to carry nutrients in food that would nourish the organs, glands and cells providing health and energy; any other matter would break them down. Medicare today is primarily the largest drug dealership in America.
Thank you! I no longer have the energy to explain something so simple yet so many have such a hard time understanding.
No energy despite decades of maintenance chiropractic? Charis’s spun a cool story. She got the year right.
My daughter suffered from an automobile accident for years and chiropractic adjustments helped and temporarily relieved the pain, but did not end it. She did not listen to me...I saw the way she was eating and told her that she needed to stop eating certain foods. She did not give up the foods. The chiropractor did not give her any nutrition information. Adjustments won't hold, if the ligaments are not nourished by the right food.
you Rootster got nothing right. Barbara is impeccable in her historically accurate
facts.
Accurate historical facts are irrefutable.
Clueless people like "scam doctor" are bereft of such knowledge.
"root causes" is much worse in his woefully uneducated blather
They have zero knowledge and no wisdom.
100%, Barbara. Not enough people know this history.
It is totally verifyably accurate
I would love to see this pass. I've seen a chiropractor on and off for years, who has helped me overcome back pain and sciatica, among other things. He also provides spinal decompression and physical therapy. But he doesn't take Medicare, and I can't afford him anymore. I don't know if this bill would change that.
Chiropractic care is incredibly beneficial. When I was pregnant with pelvic girdle pain and SIJ dysfunction, I had a couple weeks where I couldn’t hardly walk at all. My obgyn told me I could do a wheelchair or crutches. Recommended physical therapy. I couldn’t make any progress with PT. I found a chiropractor who specialized in pregnant women. She was a godsend. She kept me walking through my pregnancies.
I just hope that the going rate for chiropractic care doesn’t double or triple once they are included.
fear not, many will refuse reimbursement on principle
fair and equitable fee for service is the way forward
82% of bills sent to Medicare by chiropractors were invalid or inaccurate. Hell yea! Let's increase waste, fraud, and abuse...
https://thescamdoctor.substack.com/p/a-grocery-store-owner-invented-your?r=6hgshq
This is a good start but we now should have an educated discussion about the efficacy of other health interventions like Rolfing and working with Homeopathy.
there is little barrier to the services you mention.
They most definitely are not doctors have a fraction of the education.
The discussion is about fair reimbursement for a licensed (3rd largest) health care providers.
And acupuncture, and other forms of energy medicine.
Always remember the WILK case 5 DC plaintiffs won against the AMA and other medical entities accused of decades and decades on anti competitive corrupt actions.
that was in '87 and a great reminder. The AMA has always been woefully corrupt.
Very low % of MD's are members.
A chiropractor help me tremendously after a serious car accident.
A better idea is end the mandatory use of Medicare. Think of how much money will be saved. 🤬