So much this. And Ragan Chastain just covered the research showing a disturbing amount of weight lost is muscle mass. Much like the mRNA shots, I'm sure that is never discussed with the patient, as this is another area of medicine where informed consent isn't seen as crucial.
Glad Sec Kennedy got to underline the very important point that weight loss drugs are not first line treatment. Healthier lifestyles are. As our food system and environment get cleaner, perhaps we'll be able to phase out the need for such drugs.
Healthier lifestyles do not lead to long term weight loss but they do result in being healthy regardless of whether you lose weight or not. The focus needs to be on the lifestyle itself as the goal, not whether it makes you smaller. Focus on how the better food or exercise makes you feel on many levels, that you have more energy, that you have more flexibility, that your mood is improved, that your stomach doesn't feel like crap after eating the fresh fruit rather than the junk food plus you don't crash from the sugar, treat weight loss as a nice possible side effect but not the purpose of the changes, and you can't lose.
This is not a good thing!! With all the horrible side effects including blindness, encouraging people to take this stuff is just one more destructive drug compliments of Big pHarma!!
Of course I'm sure Big pHarma has plenty of drugs waiting in the wings to address the gastroparesis, and all the others. Follow the MONEY!!
Perhaps spike progeny syndrome from taking the MRNA ? Kind of strange that that 24-year-old Dallas Cowboy athlete, in his prime, suddenly died recently with no mentioned cause of death. This does make one wonder about all these sudden deaths and collapsing events, particularly in younger, more healthy people, including those taking unsafe dietary drugs like ozempic
Glad to see others here feel the same as I do: WTF is Kennedy doing supporting these moxious drugs at all! They are dangerous and massively expensive even with the discounted pricing. That money should be getting used for organic foods and supplements. It should used for working with holistic practitioners who can help guide a person thru major dietary changes in their life.
And why isn't Kennedy calling for meaningful safety studies on these drugs? Has been that coopted already? Or was he always a fence sitter that should have always been questoned?
Yes, according to Ragen Chastains stack, these glp1 drugs have the same lack of long term data for weight loss dosing as the mRNA shots, which is zilch.
These weight loss medications are designed to be taken again and again and again in order for the weight loss to be sustained. What a great way to get 50% of the population to pay the government an extra $300 a month. Next up: weight loss police.
That is what scares me. I am on a regular workout schedule, I am steadily improving my diet quality (just started a kimchi regimen), and I know for a fact from experience it will not keep me thin even if I lose weight initially (lost weight 4 times, gained back more than I lost every time regardless of my efforts). I also know it will make me healthy regardless of where my weight ends up, which is why i am doing it and will maintain it this time, as i stopped before when the weight loss plateaued and reversed). But I'm sure the weight loss/pharma industry will be happy to utilize the fat bigots the same way they utilized vax zealots against mRNA refuses to try and force and mandate these poisons on all of us whose weight is offensive to their eyes. Gee, maybe they can even tie it to our employment, take your regular poison shot weekly or lose your job. God, I kid but I could see them pulling that.
Muscle burns more calories than fat, even at rest. Muscle is essential for movement, strength, and metabolism. Fat is stored energy and helps insulate the body.
I agree, muscle is crucial. I lost weight four times, but I lost it different ways--first time was straight muscle building with no eating at any deficit, and I felt great. When I did it the second time, it was the traditional "eat less, move more", I was stocking shelves at my job and reducing my Cals to 1700, lost a ton then plateaued, so I kept reducing until my Cals were at 700 a day. Stayed that way for a year, couldn't budge that number, and the entire time I kept waiting and waiting to feel better like I did before. It never happened.
I also lost all my weight first from my core the first time, but from my arms and legs that se and time. Night and day. Of course, it came back both times, but I now know I should have kept up the muscle exercises regardless of that, even if it wasn't keeping the weight off.
Now I realize I didn't feel better because of losing weight, it was the increased muscle mass that did it. That muscle mass, I think, stabilizes and promotes other body systems, it's like a domino effect, the benefits of the muscle stimulates another thing that improves something else and suddenly you're feeling much better and inclined to think it was the fat loss but it was that muscle the whole time! And you get that benefit regardless of whether it reduces your weight.
Another benefit I've gotten since restarted muscle building, I was drinking alcohol fairly often and even craving having a drink, but after a few weeks of this I realized I hadn't wanted a drink for a while. I'll still have a drink now and then, but I'm increasingly less inclined to. And since starting kimchi pills, alcohol makes me slightly sick now.
Muscle is the best! And there is nothing on this planet that will induce me to take anything that might impact my muscle mass negatively.
Another compromise position. I have never seen a drug intervention that didn't have a health risk involved. GLP1 is no different. Only 1/3 of the weight loss is from reduction of stored fat, the other 2/3 is from depletion of muscle mass. NG. Keto Diet, Life Style changes and eliminating nutrient deficiencies are the best way to go. They are achieving the goal of bring down the cost of RX drugs, and getting manufacturing of the drugs back into the USA. China and India do not follow GMP's and contamination of generics is unacceptable. Mr. Findlay is probably stressed out because their profitability is being reduced.
I just read about the muscle mass thing on Ragen Chastain's substack and it scares the hell out of me. It almost makes me think they are trying to cull fat people and produce health problems (which guaranteed they will blame on weight rather than the drug's effects).
Though I'd say just encourage exercise and healthy food for its own sake, rather than with weight loss as the goal. A lot of people, including me, have given up on healthy lifestyles in the past when they repeatedly and consistently fail to produce long term weight loss (I've lost weight 4 time, got more back every time no matter what I did after a long plateau usually). I'm starting again on a healthy lifestyle attempt, but this time I think I will be able to keep it going because I no longer hold up weight loss a either the goal or the metric of success.
What.... the .... heck??? Have they put the vulcan mind meld on RFK or what? I am a huge fan but this just doesn't sound right. Bobby should know better. Obesity is not good, but those drugs are JUST PLAIN DANGEROUS. He must know that!
Sorry, RFK. Love you but this is not a good thing.
Also, until you show me the evidence that being fat is the #1 cause of all illness that is not conducted by an 80 bil a year industry with a robust history of dishonesty, that also adjusts for the well-known confounding variables of stigma stress, weight cycling and medical inequality (ie: fat people are prescribed diets for things thin people are provided actual treatment for, then when fat people end up with worsened conditions they disingenuously but conveniently blame that on "obesity" rather than the real cause "denial of prompt care due to fat bigotry"), I'm going to keep calling that bullshit too. Seriously, the same sources that lied to us about everything else including statins, cholesterol, blood pressure, and vaccines and you think they're telling the truth about obesity?
See Ragen Chastain's substack, she lays it out more clearly than I ever could.
You could make these poisons free and I still wouldn't touch them. I'm fine focusing on improving my diet quality and getting exercise, and if I stay fat, that's just how it's going to be. Which is how it is, I've lost weight 4 times and it comes back with friends every time no matter what I do. And with the disturbing evidence that in weight loss attempts, including glp1 loss, 20 to 50 percent of lost weight is lean muscle mass that doesn't come back, I am even less interested in basting myself with magic juices from the same industry that brought us the glory if the mRNA vaccines.
Seriously, RFK, you'd do better to focus on making our food actual food again. Has it occurred to no one that the cause of someone being higher weight and having a health problem might not be the ever-popular assumption that the fat person's assumed moral failing (presumed automatically whileknowing exactly nothing abouf the person) led to being fat that led to a health issue, but rather that the being fat and the health issue might both be symptomatic of something else? Likely the fact that it's hard to avoid fake food even when you are actively trying to, and the changes they've made to our food supply might affect different physiologically in different ways? I literally gained back my weight plus 30lb the last time while eating almost nothing at all, contrary to popular opinion, and I continue to have low appetite despite my weight (another reason I'm not touching anything that's an appetite suppressant even if it was actually safe).
I know, treating it as a moral failing is far more entertaining and self-satisfying, and no one wants to believe that when they oinked at fat people all these years they weren't heroes, just bullies.
If people want to lose weight right, it is far less expensive to eat a lot of the right unprocessed food and exercise daily..I aim to eat 10 servings daily OR MORE of uncooked food...a serving is 4 oz. If you eat enough bulk and fiber you won't have a craving for sweets. I went through years of my early life weighing 150 pounds at 5'3" and today I am 110 pounds. I eat quite a bit more than I ever ate before...and have had great results. I do an hour of fast walking daily. Take a tip from Hippocrates: the Father of Medicine. He prescribed natural foods and exercise.
These weight loss medication’s are designed to need to be taken again and again and again. What a great way to get 50% of the United States to pay an extra $340 a month to the government.
I know these drugs are the least preferred option for someone like me, but Trump and Kennedy are working for everyone, not just me. A lot of people prefer to go the route of using the drugs. And it's a lot cheaper than what was happening before even though it's still a crazy amount of money.
It’s easier to criticise than to praise because you don’t have to think. There are very obese people who need these weight loss drugs otherwise they will die. But if you are fine to exercise and eat right and lose weight then do it. No one is telling you to take these drugs. When you do more criticising than think then it shows that whatever people come up with you’re just a bloody whinger.
I have been told I am going to die soon ever since I got fat when I was in my twenties. I wouldn't make it to my thirties, I wouldn't make it to my forties, now here I am three years from my fifties and fatter than ever and still not dead. And not having any problems either. In fact, the one thin person in my fat family is the one who got sick and died.
There is also no evidence (source: Ragen Chastain's substack) these drugs will make someone stay thin, and even their own insufficient research was showing weight regain near the end despite regular use, and most did not get "thin" but lost only a fraction of their weight, not the entire desired amount, before we got into the large amount of muscle mass making up the total weight lost. That us if you can handle the brutal side effects at weight loss dosing. How great, maybe I could permanently damage my currently oerfectly healthy guts and go blind and lose crucial muscle mass that will not cone back, so I can be somewhat thinner for a few years then gain back more than i lost. Hallelujah, my life is saved! For certain values of saved.
Thanks but no thanks. Now if you'll excuse me, my 300lb ass has a regular weight training session to get to, followed by some time on a stairclimber. I'm sure when that continues to fail to make me thin, I will be dead before the end of the month. Surely I won't make it to fifty. (There is absolutely no reason I won't make it to fifty).
I can't understand why anyone would be celebrating this development.
I agree, I consider this a complete ass of shit.
I'm not so sure this is "good news", as these drugs come with some pretty serious side effects.
So much this. And Ragan Chastain just covered the research showing a disturbing amount of weight lost is muscle mass. Much like the mRNA shots, I'm sure that is never discussed with the patient, as this is another area of medicine where informed consent isn't seen as crucial.
Glad Sec Kennedy got to underline the very important point that weight loss drugs are not first line treatment. Healthier lifestyles are. As our food system and environment get cleaner, perhaps we'll be able to phase out the need for such drugs.
Healthier lifestyles do not lead to long term weight loss but they do result in being healthy regardless of whether you lose weight or not. The focus needs to be on the lifestyle itself as the goal, not whether it makes you smaller. Focus on how the better food or exercise makes you feel on many levels, that you have more energy, that you have more flexibility, that your mood is improved, that your stomach doesn't feel like crap after eating the fresh fruit rather than the junk food plus you don't crash from the sugar, treat weight loss as a nice possible side effect but not the purpose of the changes, and you can't lose.
Source: Ragan Chastains substack.
Good points!
This is not a good thing!! With all the horrible side effects including blindness, encouraging people to take this stuff is just one more destructive drug compliments of Big pHarma!!
Of course I'm sure Big pHarma has plenty of drugs waiting in the wings to address the gastroparesis, and all the others. Follow the MONEY!!
Omg, I completely forgot about the blindness! Even my mom heard about that, and she's not always in the loop.
Findlay was probably taking one of his company’s weight loss drugs. 😀
Perhaps spike progeny syndrome from taking the MRNA ? Kind of strange that that 24-year-old Dallas Cowboy athlete, in his prime, suddenly died recently with no mentioned cause of death. This does make one wonder about all these sudden deaths and collapsing events, particularly in younger, more healthy people, including those taking unsafe dietary drugs like ozempic
I don’t trust any drugs even if they were given to me for free.
Glad to see others here feel the same as I do: WTF is Kennedy doing supporting these moxious drugs at all! They are dangerous and massively expensive even with the discounted pricing. That money should be getting used for organic foods and supplements. It should used for working with holistic practitioners who can help guide a person thru major dietary changes in their life.
And why isn't Kennedy calling for meaningful safety studies on these drugs? Has been that coopted already? Or was he always a fence sitter that should have always been questoned?
Seriously, I'm like, is it April fool's day or what. I can't believe I just read all this.
Yes, according to Ragen Chastains stack, these glp1 drugs have the same lack of long term data for weight loss dosing as the mRNA shots, which is zilch.
These weight loss medications are designed to be taken again and again and again in order for the weight loss to be sustained. What a great way to get 50% of the population to pay the government an extra $300 a month. Next up: weight loss police.
That is what scares me. I am on a regular workout schedule, I am steadily improving my diet quality (just started a kimchi regimen), and I know for a fact from experience it will not keep me thin even if I lose weight initially (lost weight 4 times, gained back more than I lost every time regardless of my efforts). I also know it will make me healthy regardless of where my weight ends up, which is why i am doing it and will maintain it this time, as i stopped before when the weight loss plateaued and reversed). But I'm sure the weight loss/pharma industry will be happy to utilize the fat bigots the same way they utilized vax zealots against mRNA refuses to try and force and mandate these poisons on all of us whose weight is offensive to their eyes. Gee, maybe they can even tie it to our employment, take your regular poison shot weekly or lose your job. God, I kid but I could see them pulling that.
Muscle burns more calories than fat, even at rest. Muscle is essential for movement, strength, and metabolism. Fat is stored energy and helps insulate the body.
I agree, muscle is crucial. I lost weight four times, but I lost it different ways--first time was straight muscle building with no eating at any deficit, and I felt great. When I did it the second time, it was the traditional "eat less, move more", I was stocking shelves at my job and reducing my Cals to 1700, lost a ton then plateaued, so I kept reducing until my Cals were at 700 a day. Stayed that way for a year, couldn't budge that number, and the entire time I kept waiting and waiting to feel better like I did before. It never happened.
I also lost all my weight first from my core the first time, but from my arms and legs that se and time. Night and day. Of course, it came back both times, but I now know I should have kept up the muscle exercises regardless of that, even if it wasn't keeping the weight off.
Now I realize I didn't feel better because of losing weight, it was the increased muscle mass that did it. That muscle mass, I think, stabilizes and promotes other body systems, it's like a domino effect, the benefits of the muscle stimulates another thing that improves something else and suddenly you're feeling much better and inclined to think it was the fat loss but it was that muscle the whole time! And you get that benefit regardless of whether it reduces your weight.
Another benefit I've gotten since restarted muscle building, I was drinking alcohol fairly often and even craving having a drink, but after a few weeks of this I realized I hadn't wanted a drink for a while. I'll still have a drink now and then, but I'm increasingly less inclined to. And since starting kimchi pills, alcohol makes me slightly sick now.
Muscle is the best! And there is nothing on this planet that will induce me to take anything that might impact my muscle mass negatively.
Weight loss drugs are for those who know exactly nothing about health or its origins regardless
of endorsements. Those who have no clue are free to "save" money.
There is exactly no path to health through Big P drugs.
Another compromise position. I have never seen a drug intervention that didn't have a health risk involved. GLP1 is no different. Only 1/3 of the weight loss is from reduction of stored fat, the other 2/3 is from depletion of muscle mass. NG. Keto Diet, Life Style changes and eliminating nutrient deficiencies are the best way to go. They are achieving the goal of bring down the cost of RX drugs, and getting manufacturing of the drugs back into the USA. China and India do not follow GMP's and contamination of generics is unacceptable. Mr. Findlay is probably stressed out because their profitability is being reduced.
I just read about the muscle mass thing on Ragen Chastain's substack and it scares the hell out of me. It almost makes me think they are trying to cull fat people and produce health problems (which guaranteed they will blame on weight rather than the drug's effects).
Though I'd say just encourage exercise and healthy food for its own sake, rather than with weight loss as the goal. A lot of people, including me, have given up on healthy lifestyles in the past when they repeatedly and consistently fail to produce long term weight loss (I've lost weight 4 time, got more back every time no matter what I did after a long plateau usually). I'm starting again on a healthy lifestyle attempt, but this time I think I will be able to keep it going because I no longer hold up weight loss a either the goal or the metric of success.
What.... the .... heck??? Have they put the vulcan mind meld on RFK or what? I am a huge fan but this just doesn't sound right. Bobby should know better. Obesity is not good, but those drugs are JUST PLAIN DANGEROUS. He must know that!
Sorry, RFK. Love you but this is not a good thing.
Also, until you show me the evidence that being fat is the #1 cause of all illness that is not conducted by an 80 bil a year industry with a robust history of dishonesty, that also adjusts for the well-known confounding variables of stigma stress, weight cycling and medical inequality (ie: fat people are prescribed diets for things thin people are provided actual treatment for, then when fat people end up with worsened conditions they disingenuously but conveniently blame that on "obesity" rather than the real cause "denial of prompt care due to fat bigotry"), I'm going to keep calling that bullshit too. Seriously, the same sources that lied to us about everything else including statins, cholesterol, blood pressure, and vaccines and you think they're telling the truth about obesity?
See Ragen Chastain's substack, she lays it out more clearly than I ever could.
You could make these poisons free and I still wouldn't touch them. I'm fine focusing on improving my diet quality and getting exercise, and if I stay fat, that's just how it's going to be. Which is how it is, I've lost weight 4 times and it comes back with friends every time no matter what I do. And with the disturbing evidence that in weight loss attempts, including glp1 loss, 20 to 50 percent of lost weight is lean muscle mass that doesn't come back, I am even less interested in basting myself with magic juices from the same industry that brought us the glory if the mRNA vaccines.
Seriously, RFK, you'd do better to focus on making our food actual food again. Has it occurred to no one that the cause of someone being higher weight and having a health problem might not be the ever-popular assumption that the fat person's assumed moral failing (presumed automatically whileknowing exactly nothing abouf the person) led to being fat that led to a health issue, but rather that the being fat and the health issue might both be symptomatic of something else? Likely the fact that it's hard to avoid fake food even when you are actively trying to, and the changes they've made to our food supply might affect different physiologically in different ways? I literally gained back my weight plus 30lb the last time while eating almost nothing at all, contrary to popular opinion, and I continue to have low appetite despite my weight (another reason I'm not touching anything that's an appetite suppressant even if it was actually safe).
I know, treating it as a moral failing is far more entertaining and self-satisfying, and no one wants to believe that when they oinked at fat people all these years they weren't heroes, just bullies.
If people want to lose weight right, it is far less expensive to eat a lot of the right unprocessed food and exercise daily..I aim to eat 10 servings daily OR MORE of uncooked food...a serving is 4 oz. If you eat enough bulk and fiber you won't have a craving for sweets. I went through years of my early life weighing 150 pounds at 5'3" and today I am 110 pounds. I eat quite a bit more than I ever ate before...and have had great results. I do an hour of fast walking daily. Take a tip from Hippocrates: the Father of Medicine. He prescribed natural foods and exercise.
These weight loss medication’s are designed to need to be taken again and again and again. What a great way to get 50% of the United States to pay an extra $340 a month to the government.
I know these drugs are the least preferred option for someone like me, but Trump and Kennedy are working for everyone, not just me. A lot of people prefer to go the route of using the drugs. And it's a lot cheaper than what was happening before even though it's still a crazy amount of money.
It’s easier to criticise than to praise because you don’t have to think. There are very obese people who need these weight loss drugs otherwise they will die. But if you are fine to exercise and eat right and lose weight then do it. No one is telling you to take these drugs. When you do more criticising than think then it shows that whatever people come up with you’re just a bloody whinger.
I have been told I am going to die soon ever since I got fat when I was in my twenties. I wouldn't make it to my thirties, I wouldn't make it to my forties, now here I am three years from my fifties and fatter than ever and still not dead. And not having any problems either. In fact, the one thin person in my fat family is the one who got sick and died.
There is also no evidence (source: Ragen Chastain's substack) these drugs will make someone stay thin, and even their own insufficient research was showing weight regain near the end despite regular use, and most did not get "thin" but lost only a fraction of their weight, not the entire desired amount, before we got into the large amount of muscle mass making up the total weight lost. That us if you can handle the brutal side effects at weight loss dosing. How great, maybe I could permanently damage my currently oerfectly healthy guts and go blind and lose crucial muscle mass that will not cone back, so I can be somewhat thinner for a few years then gain back more than i lost. Hallelujah, my life is saved! For certain values of saved.
Thanks but no thanks. Now if you'll excuse me, my 300lb ass has a regular weight training session to get to, followed by some time on a stairclimber. I'm sure when that continues to fail to make me thin, I will be dead before the end of the month. Surely I won't make it to fifty. (There is absolutely no reason I won't make it to fifty).