Means, a former advisor to HHS, held nothing back in an explosive, two-hour interview on Joe Rogan’s podcast. On the same day, President Trump replaced Wiles with Stephen Miller
I figure there are dems and independents who read here and I would hope that we could ALL agree that these corruptions/PAC/lobbying strangleholds that use massive control of all of our political parties need to go! How many of our elected officials on both sides of the aisle are bought by big money instead of representing those of us who sent them to D.C.? Anyone who didn't have a clue that this was going on wasn't paying attention. That's why, considering all the power & money going against MAHA, I've continued to be proud of Bobby Jr. He could've just said "forget it" but he has continued to fight for us against all of that hell. It's time indeed to unleash the Kraken.
Lobbyists should not exist. The votes of the people have lost out. when our Congressional Representatives are "influenced" to vote for the special interests of corporations. This is corruption! All involved should really face being tried for criminal activity.
That's Right!!! THANK YOU! I keep hearing 'Bobby's not doing his job!', besides all the other wacko propaganda bs that people believe. To really know what's going requires doing your homework! 'READ' as Jimmy Dore says!
It's AMAZING how RFK Jr has endured EVERYTHING! From before running as pres, then during his campaign BOTH as a dem and then as an independent, then as HEAD OF HHS!
I hope Calley Means returns to the MAHA team, with Stephen Miller as Chief of Staff - he's got those 4 beautiful kids at home, the strongest motivation to clean up the food supply, pesticides, microplastics, etc & get rid of the vaccine liability shield.
I listened to the entire podcast. This story had to be told because MAHA followers were becoming disheartened by what was happening. It confirmed my thoughts that someone was blocking RFK, and I suspected Wiles, hoping it wasn’t Trump going back on his promises.
Trump is the top banana. He could have helped RFK if he wanted to, but he didn’t care - thought he was untouchable. he wanted MAHA’s votes, and not our agenda. It was a huge mistake to throw support behind trump. Every Kennedy supporter I personally know hates trump and thinks he’s bullshit.
Everything you say is absolutely true, but the alternative would've been incredibly MUCH Worse and we would not have gotten Bobby at all! RFK Jr has Accomplished so much exponentially since he took on the vax issue, CHD and even before that! The powers to be on both sides have & are doing whatever they can to undermine RFK Jr!
I continue to be impressed with Robert Kennedy. We can see why the Democratic leadership felt threatened by him when he decided to run for president. It’s nice to hear that Trump is behind him and reaffirms that he also is trying to unravel the “swamp”.
We can only hope that prople of integrity will continue to speak out so that their voices override the money mongers that are so treasonous to this country
I’m praying that the President will wake up and remember who put him in office, for his sake, the sake of his office and especially for the American people! If people can’t get their voices heard they will find someone who will listen. He has, apparently, lost all connection with the people, whether it’s his intention or not and that’s what cost us the midterms, not the war in Iran.
Superb on all fronts. Everyone on both sides of the aisle should watch this interview as it is powerful and demonstrates the very type of integrity that we need. Reform is necessary though and the people he called out should be held accountable.
Here's the thing. I never liked Wiles, but I don't trust Corporatist Means either. I do think any President trying to buck big Arig. is in for a huge fight.
** A real chance to stop the evil mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" experimentation on humans **
After FOIA requests and appeals (starting in 2023), a Citizen's Petition that asks the FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products (in accordance with the FDA's own guidance) was filed, but the FDA failed to issue a ruling within the required timeframe...
The Petition was not approved or denied, so the fate of this Petition was stuck in limbo (as were any subsequent actions/consequences)...
Until a mandamus lawsuit was filed to force this Citizen's Petition out of limbo.
The government has been ordered to respond.
This is NOT a criminal or civil lawsuit. As much as I personally want Fauci, Collins, Walensky, Marks, Bourla, Bancel, Baric, Gates, Becerra, Austin, Murthy, etc, etc, etc to face righteous punishment here on earth for their evil crimes against humanity, this mandamus lawsuit is NOT the vehicle that can make that happen...
This lawsuit is asking for a writ of mandamus which is a court order compelling a government official or agency to perform a specific duty that they are legally obligated to fulfill.
Therefore, this mandamus lawsuit could only be brought against the CURRENT government officials (RFK Jr in his official capacity as HHS Secretary, and Pete Hegseth in his official capacity as Secretary of DoD/DoW).
This lawsuit asks the court to make 2 orders:
"The Pentagon owes Congress a report. Under 50 USC 1520a, the Defense Department 'may not conduct (directly or by contract)' any test of a biological agent on a civilian population. Medical research is allowed only with INFORMED CONSENT, and only after the Armed Services Committees get 'a full accounting' of the plans 30 days ahead. Count I asks the court to make Secretary Hegseth file that report for the mRNA COVID shots.
FDA owes an answer. Under 21 CFR 10.30(e)(2), FDA has 180 days to rule on a citizen petition. Citizen Petition FDA-2025-P-1807 asks FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products instead of vaccines. Those 180 days ran out on December 13, 2025. Count II asks the court to make FDA, and HHS Secretary Kennedy above it, rule."
"IoJ's citizen petition FDA-2025-P-1807, raising 32 problems with the mRNA shots, including the SV40 DNA contamination...FDA has a duty to stop contaminated shots under laws no emergency waiver overrides. We're asking FDA to stop mRNA in its ENTIRETY."
"Each agency's duty is different, and every one could open the way to taking the mRNA shots off the market and calling them what they are, which is not a vaccine. The petition at the heart of the case asks FDA to declare the shots ADULTERATED over DNA contamination, including the SV40 promoter in this article, and to impose an immediate CLINICAL HOLD".
"The government just answered... the government's lawyer wrote back. He confirmed he received the papers and asked for 30 MORE DAYS to respond, because the filings are that big. The government is using that time to get ready, and our side has to get ready too."
I (Kelly) am not affiliated with Interest of Justice or this lawsuit...and I am NOT a lawyer, so if there are any corrections/additions necessary, please chime in...
But I am trying to spread the word about this potentially consequential mandamus lawsuit!...
Because I believe that compelling these government agencies to issue that report and rule on that Citizen's Petition (forcing things out of limbo) will present the next steps to take, even if that step is to appeal an unfavorable decision.
I have personally donated. I am asking those who are able (and feel so inclined) to please consider helping this lawsuit in this fight to remove these diabolical, illegal, and intentionally injurious & deadly gene "therapy" bioweapon injections & genetic transfection platform.
If you're still reading this...some further background on the petition & mandamus lawsuit...
"FDA warns gene therapy DNA caused cancer, and IoJ’s petition now before a federal judge asks why the COVID shots got a pass...mRNA Devils in the Details. FDA's own rules define gene therapy by its mechanism of action, and the COVID shots meet that definition"
"Mechanism of action is the whole case...FDA doesn't classify a product by what the maker calls it. It has a legal duty to classify it by what the product does inside the body, its MECHANISM OF ACTION. This is a very big deal."
'The FDA generally considers human gene therapy products to include all products that mediate their effects by transcription or translation of transferred genetic material... Some examples of gene therapy products include nucleic acids (e.g., plasmids, in vitro transcribed ribonucleic acid (RNA))'..."
"Moderna Damn Well Knew! They Told the SEC.
In their Q2 2020 SEC filing—a mandatory legal disclosure subject to federal securities laws—Moderna made a stunning admission..
'Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA.'
This wasn’t buried in some obscure document. This was in their securities filing. They were legally required to tell investors the truth about regulatory classification.
BioNTech founder Dr. Ugur Sahin said in 2014…
'One would expect the classification of an mRNA drug to be a biologic, gene therapy, or somatic cell therapy.'
Both manufacturers expected gene therapy classification.
The sudden reclassification as 'vaccines' wasn’t science—it was purely regulatory manipulation."
"The evidence we now have—FDA’s own words, Moderna’s SEC filings, the manufacturer admissions—cannot be disputed.
They defined gene therapy. mRNA fits the definition. They authorized it anyway without following gene therapy protocols.
That’s not a regulatory oversight. That’s fraud."
"Billions of people worldwide received experimental gene therapy products while being told they were getting traditional vaccines. They were denied the informed consent that gene therapy requires. They were denied the long-term safety monitoring that gene therapy requires. They were denied the truth.
And the agency responsible for protecting them is still—to this day—refusing to answer basic questions about what they authorized."...
"Seven Nazi doctors were hanged for experimenting on people without consent, and the ten rules from their 1947 trial still stand...Seven executions, ten rules, and a first rule IoJ's case and petition still stand on"...
Now's probably a good to time to revisit my article from two and a half years ago warning about Susie Wiles's big pharma lobbying ties, originally published by this very outlet:
I have a very serious question: Is the situation that Mr. Means described the reason that the mRNA shots of all kinds have not been removed from the market when it is clear they absolutely must be?
We in Florida said she was bad news. We saw it in who they were recommending for office. People with issues. They weren't really MAGA when you looked at their donors. There needs to be more good people elected to correct this dysfunction in Washington. It isn't just one Party it is all of them. She didn't help by limiting info to the president.
I figure there are dems and independents who read here and I would hope that we could ALL agree that these corruptions/PAC/lobbying strangleholds that use massive control of all of our political parties need to go! How many of our elected officials on both sides of the aisle are bought by big money instead of representing those of us who sent them to D.C.? Anyone who didn't have a clue that this was going on wasn't paying attention. That's why, considering all the power & money going against MAHA, I've continued to be proud of Bobby Jr. He could've just said "forget it" but he has continued to fight for us against all of that hell. It's time indeed to unleash the Kraken.
And republicans. Love Bobby too. He is a great man. Satan is literally chasing him and he is still standing. WAY TO GO BOBBY!
☝️This!
Lobbyists should not exist. The votes of the people have lost out. when our Congressional Representatives are "influenced" to vote for the special interests of corporations. This is corruption! All involved should really face being tried for criminal activity.
That's Right!!! THANK YOU! I keep hearing 'Bobby's not doing his job!', besides all the other wacko propaganda bs that people believe. To really know what's going requires doing your homework! 'READ' as Jimmy Dore says!
It's AMAZING how RFK Jr has endured EVERYTHING! From before running as pres, then during his campaign BOTH as a dem and then as an independent, then as HEAD OF HHS!
He hit the nail on the read regarding the corruption in the White House derailing Trumps agenda
Corruption is Trump's agenda.
award for stupic comment, goes to, lets think, Maybe
No it isn’t
Everybody knows
The whole world sees it, bruja.
I hope Calley Means returns to the MAHA team, with Stephen Miller as Chief of Staff - he's got those 4 beautiful kids at home, the strongest motivation to clean up the food supply, pesticides, microplastics, etc & get rid of the vaccine liability shield.
I listened to the entire podcast. This story had to be told because MAHA followers were becoming disheartened by what was happening. It confirmed my thoughts that someone was blocking RFK, and I suspected Wiles, hoping it wasn’t Trump going back on his promises.
Good points VictorDianne
Trump is the top banana. He could have helped RFK if he wanted to, but he didn’t care - thought he was untouchable. he wanted MAHA’s votes, and not our agenda. It was a huge mistake to throw support behind trump. Every Kennedy supporter I personally know hates trump and thinks he’s bullshit.
Everything you say is absolutely true, but the alternative would've been incredibly MUCH Worse and we would not have gotten Bobby at all! RFK Jr has Accomplished so much exponentially since he took on the vax issue, CHD and even before that! The powers to be on both sides have & are doing whatever they can to undermine RFK Jr!
I continue to be impressed with Robert Kennedy. We can see why the Democratic leadership felt threatened by him when he decided to run for president. It’s nice to hear that Trump is behind him and reaffirms that he also is trying to unravel the “swamp”.
We can only hope that prople of integrity will continue to speak out so that their voices override the money mongers that are so treasonous to this country
I’m praying that the President will wake up and remember who put him in office, for his sake, the sake of his office and especially for the American people! If people can’t get their voices heard they will find someone who will listen. He has, apparently, lost all connection with the people, whether it’s his intention or not and that’s what cost us the midterms, not the war in Iran.
Agreed, but it is also becoming obvious that voter fraud came into play again as well. We need to fix our election process.
Look into Harmeet Dhillon and her inaction on election integrity for years even before her post to DOJ.
He trusted certain persons - they let him down
Superb on all fronts. Everyone on both sides of the aisle should watch this interview as it is powerful and demonstrates the very type of integrity that we need. Reform is necessary though and the people he called out should be held accountable.
YES! The J Rogan interveiw with Calley was EXCELLENT! And it can be watched on rumble!
Here's the thing. I never liked Wiles, but I don't trust Corporatist Means either. I do think any President trying to buck big Arig. is in for a huge fight.
It IS a huge fight and it isn't just big Ag. Look at the big Pharma stranglehold and so on.
40 years in arears report
Some of us figured out 4 decades earlier that Glyphosate, any herbicide, pesticide.
Quaxcine etc were very very stupid give aways to industry and pollute the biosphere.
Very simple.
Health does not nor could it, come from needles.
It takes very low IQ low reasoning people to drink the kool aid.
** A real chance to stop the evil mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" experimentation on humans **
After FOIA requests and appeals (starting in 2023), a Citizen's Petition that asks the FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products (in accordance with the FDA's own guidance) was filed, but the FDA failed to issue a ruling within the required timeframe...
The Petition was not approved or denied, so the fate of this Petition was stuck in limbo (as were any subsequent actions/consequences)...
Until a mandamus lawsuit was filed to force this Citizen's Petition out of limbo.
The government has been ordered to respond.
This is NOT a criminal or civil lawsuit. As much as I personally want Fauci, Collins, Walensky, Marks, Bourla, Bancel, Baric, Gates, Becerra, Austin, Murthy, etc, etc, etc to face righteous punishment here on earth for their evil crimes against humanity, this mandamus lawsuit is NOT the vehicle that can make that happen...
This lawsuit is asking for a writ of mandamus which is a court order compelling a government official or agency to perform a specific duty that they are legally obligated to fulfill.
Therefore, this mandamus lawsuit could only be brought against the CURRENT government officials (RFK Jr in his official capacity as HHS Secretary, and Pete Hegseth in his official capacity as Secretary of DoD/DoW).
This lawsuit asks the court to make 2 orders:
"The Pentagon owes Congress a report. Under 50 USC 1520a, the Defense Department 'may not conduct (directly or by contract)' any test of a biological agent on a civilian population. Medical research is allowed only with INFORMED CONSENT, and only after the Armed Services Committees get 'a full accounting' of the plans 30 days ahead. Count I asks the court to make Secretary Hegseth file that report for the mRNA COVID shots.
FDA owes an answer. Under 21 CFR 10.30(e)(2), FDA has 180 days to rule on a citizen petition. Citizen Petition FDA-2025-P-1807 asks FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products instead of vaccines. Those 180 days ran out on December 13, 2025. Count II asks the court to make FDA, and HHS Secretary Kennedy above it, rule."
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/breaking-rfk-jr-fda-and-dod-answer
"IoJ's citizen petition FDA-2025-P-1807, raising 32 problems with the mRNA shots, including the SV40 DNA contamination...FDA has a duty to stop contaminated shots under laws no emergency waiver overrides. We're asking FDA to stop mRNA in its ENTIRETY."
"Each agency's duty is different, and every one could open the way to taking the mRNA shots off the market and calling them what they are, which is not a vaccine. The petition at the heart of the case asks FDA to declare the shots ADULTERATED over DNA contamination, including the SV40 promoter in this article, and to impose an immediate CLINICAL HOLD".
"The government just answered... the government's lawyer wrote back. He confirmed he received the papers and asked for 30 MORE DAYS to respond, because the filings are that big. The government is using that time to get ready, and our side has to get ready too."
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/2-new-mrna-shots-approved-as-health
I (Kelly) am not affiliated with Interest of Justice or this lawsuit...and I am NOT a lawyer, so if there are any corrections/additions necessary, please chime in...
But I am trying to spread the word about this potentially consequential mandamus lawsuit!...
Because I believe that compelling these government agencies to issue that report and rule on that Citizen's Petition (forcing things out of limbo) will present the next steps to take, even if that step is to appeal an unfavorable decision.
I have personally donated. I am asking those who are able (and feel so inclined) to please consider helping this lawsuit in this fight to remove these diabolical, illegal, and intentionally injurious & deadly gene "therapy" bioweapon injections & genetic transfection platform.
Link for Donations to help fund this lawsuit:
https://interestofjustice.org/stop-covid-vaccines-now/index.html
Thank you and Blessings to All.
If you're still reading this...some further background on the petition & mandamus lawsuit...
"FDA warns gene therapy DNA caused cancer, and IoJ’s petition now before a federal judge asks why the COVID shots got a pass...mRNA Devils in the Details. FDA's own rules define gene therapy by its mechanism of action, and the COVID shots meet that definition"
"Mechanism of action is the whole case...FDA doesn't classify a product by what the maker calls it. It has a legal duty to classify it by what the product does inside the body, its MECHANISM OF ACTION. This is a very big deal."
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/fda-warns-gene-therapy-dna-caused
"FDA’s 2020 guidance document 'Human Gene Therapy for Rare Diseases' defines gene therapy products:
'The FDA generally considers human gene therapy products to include all products that mediate their effects by transcription or translation of transferred genetic material... Some examples of gene therapy products include nucleic acids (e.g., plasmids, in vitro transcribed ribonucleic acid (RNA))'..."
"Moderna Damn Well Knew! They Told the SEC.
In their Q2 2020 SEC filing—a mandatory legal disclosure subject to federal securities laws—Moderna made a stunning admission..
'Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA.'
This wasn’t buried in some obscure document. This was in their securities filing. They were legally required to tell investors the truth about regulatory classification.
BioNTech founder Dr. Ugur Sahin said in 2014…
'One would expect the classification of an mRNA drug to be a biologic, gene therapy, or somatic cell therapy.'
Both manufacturers expected gene therapy classification.
The sudden reclassification as 'vaccines' wasn’t science—it was purely regulatory manipulation."
"The evidence we now have—FDA’s own words, Moderna’s SEC filings, the manufacturer admissions—cannot be disputed.
They defined gene therapy. mRNA fits the definition. They authorized it anyway without following gene therapy protocols.
That’s not a regulatory oversight. That’s fraud."
"Billions of people worldwide received experimental gene therapy products while being told they were getting traditional vaccines. They were denied the informed consent that gene therapy requires. They were denied the long-term safety monitoring that gene therapy requires. They were denied the truth.
And the agency responsible for protecting them is still—to this day—refusing to answer basic questions about what they authorized."...
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/breaking-fda-issues-gene-therapy
The Nuremberg Code
"Seven Nazi doctors were hanged for experimenting on people without consent, and the ten rules from their 1947 trial still stand...Seven executions, ten rules, and a first rule IoJ's case and petition still stand on"...
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/seven-nazi-doctors-were-hanged-for
Now's probably a good to time to revisit my article from two and a half years ago warning about Susie Wiles's big pharma lobbying ties, originally published by this very outlet:
https://web.archive.org/web/20240516174443/https://thekennedybeacon.substack.com/p/susie-wiles-is-a-lobbyist-for-big
I read your article. I see what you are addressing..
I remember that and thought about that!
"Demonic culture" is an extremely apt description of what is at play in politics and what spreads out of DC.
I have a very serious question: Is the situation that Mr. Means described the reason that the mRNA shots of all kinds have not been removed from the market when it is clear they absolutely must be?
We in Florida said she was bad news. We saw it in who they were recommending for office. People with issues. They weren't really MAGA when you looked at their donors. There needs to be more good people elected to correct this dysfunction in Washington. It isn't just one Party it is all of them. She didn't help by limiting info to the president.
Nonetheless, not abandoning RFK, still the best possible decision, as he
wisely defected to Team Trump.
The person or persons (Trump?) responsible for appointments in key positions in the Trump team is clueless.
I'm thinking they're not clueless, they definitely have a serious agenda!