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Ubetcha's avatar

Stay away from drugs as best you can. Eat right and exercise, that's it. The legalization of pot is just another promotion to keep the population drugged and incoherent. This is a disgusting promotion. My opinion comes from my youthful years. I lost many friends and some family to the drug culture, both dead, incarcerated or dysfunctional. Nothing good comes from it. I cleaned up in my early 20's. Stay the hell away from it.

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Reverend Jacqueline Weiks's avatar

You have no idea of what you say about the plant medicine and how it works. Do some research on the benefits and please allow yourself to know the truth! No drugged and incoherent responses when used for medicine. ~ Jacqui

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Tee Rigodanzo's avatar

Thank you, Rev Jacqui, for a voice of reason. Most of these commenters have no idea the traumatic shape many - especially our veterans with PTSD - are in. Someone please tell me what type of food is going to heal the Israeli Oct 7 hostages?!?

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Reverend Jacqueline Weiks's avatar

You can use nutrient dense foods. There is a book from Jeff Primack - Smoothies and Cooking with Chi. I healed someone with a-plastic-anemia (5 year death sentence) completely with this food system. You can use food as medicine. It is proven that it works. Please look into it. It will work!

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Tee Rigodanzo's avatar

Totally agree . . . I have healed myself with nutrition & alternative therapies . . . however I don't believe it is the ONLY means of healing. Guess it simply frustrates me how many people have no clue as to the true status of much of humanity . . . they live in their sheltered little black & white worlds with no real concern for all the grey areas. God Bless MAHA.

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Reverend Jacqueline Weiks's avatar

Using plant medicine for the psychological damage done.

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Barbara Charis's avatar

The Right Food and prayer work...I have overcome many health problems from cancer to arthritis to obesity to mental problems created from dieting too strenuously and not feeding my brain. I am healthy at 92 from getting into nutrition and health research in 1961, because of a sick child...iatrogenic illness.

The doctor's advice caused his health and nutrition issues and he nearly died from the vaccines...I was handed health and.nutrition books..and told to "start reading!" and never stopped reading and learning in My Journey to Wellness newsletter, which is FREE, i cover many subjects related to nutrition and health.

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Michele's avatar

Maybe it would help to know that psychedelics are non addictive and virtually impossible to overdose. They should not be used recreationally or without one’s consent or knowledge.

Traces of Psilocybin have been found in Ancient Greece (Demeter reference) and Spain. When you use psilocybin or any of these substances, you have a prescribed plan of use and also homework to do to focus on what you wish to accomplish. It’s not just taking a substance and going to a Rave, which is strongly not advised.

Watch the 60 Minutes segment online that documented patients going through treatment at John’s Hopkins. One was a chronic alcoholic, one was facing terminal cancer. I don’t remember the other patient, but all agreed it was one of the most meaningful experiences of their lives.

This class of substances were banned against the advice of Nixon’s advisors. John Ehrlichman said in an interview that they criminalized drugs because they couldn’t criminalize being antiwar or being black. The reason for criminalizing them was because Nixon was afraid he wouldn’t have anyone to fight his wars, because they allow you to see others as human beings similar to yourself, rather than “the others.” I personally believe that every member of Congress should partake in a session before serving.

Hopkins and other institutions were having immense success at treating alcohol and drug abuse with psychedelics, and Alcoholics Anonymous founder Bill Wilson wanted to use them in the 12 Step Program because they were so successful.

These are not opioids and meth. They are powerful tools that can be used to achieve mental health without pharma side effects.

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Ubetcha's avatar

Michele I am fully aware psychedelics are allegedly non addictive. So is pot, but people are addicted to that too. Remember when the medical establishment published "the science" on "non-addictive" opioids? Remember the billions made. Please keep in mind the 100,000 people that now die every single year from opioid overdoses every year since "the science" said it was ok.

How many more people need to be sacrificed due to the endless belief that 60 Minutes and Johns Hopkins have your best interest in mind.

They literally just killed millions of Americans with the fake pandemic. Cancer, liver and heart deaths are now at all time highs due to the clot shot.

How can you are still listen to these people?

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The Long Game's avatar

You have no knowledge of this science.

You are completely ignorant about medicine and have no idea what you are talking about. *You just haven't tried psychedelics because you are scared and too egotistical to admit you might learn something.* So you say they are bad and shouldn't be used. It gets you off the hook of having to admit you don't know something.

To you, there's just "people who do/have done drugs" and "people who don't/haven't". Toddler level thinking. Nothing about doing drugs makes anyone's character automatically better or worse. If anything, doing drugs would indicate *better* character, because it means that person is willing to learn something new and improve themselves, even if stupid, arrogant, lesser people will judge them for it.

*You meet people every day who use various substances, and you never know. Some of the people you respect the most have done plenty of psychedelics, and you have zero idea.*

Many substance users are happy, they are productive, they have healthy relationships ..in many cases BECAUSE of the susbtance doses they've calibrated for themselves.

If you've ever filled consumed a prescription, you've done drugs. There is no legitimate line between "street" drugs and pharmaceuticals. It's imaginary.

Whether something is "addictive" really isn't the point. Some of us find medicine (the real kind, not Rockefeller fake med) lectures and books addictive. Even if we wanted to stop using them, we couldn't. Thankfully, they don't do any harm anyway, unless they begin to take away quality time from relationships.

ANYTHING can be addictive by your definition. The question is: what harm arises? What benefit?

Grow up or get left behind. The choice is yours.

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Ubetcha's avatar

Dear Long Game,

Im not sure why you assume I haven’t done psychedelics. The reason I proffer the opinions I have developed is because I have infact lived through a drug rattled youth. I’ve lost dozens of friends and a few family members. I have literally lost friends from one bad trip. Not dead, just emotionally and psychologically permanently damaged. Others died of overdoses (not due to psychedelics), others incarcerated, or murder victims of deals gone bad.

You’re just early in the game.

I did grow up, and left the carnage behind.

When the funerals pile up, you may wake up.

I wish you well son, but don’t fall for their lies. They are systematically destroying western civilization. Try not to participate in the slaughter.

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The Long Game's avatar

"Drug rattled".."carnage"? Damn, you were doing it wrong, unk. You did "recreational" drugs. Again, not the use this discussion is about.

This is a medical discussion, not a "DARE" presentation.

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Letsrock's avatar

Someone very close to me was highly addicted to pot. I smoked for many yrs but was never addicted. I knew a young man barely out of HS that spent the rest of his years a constantly hallucinating schizophrenic from overusing hallucinogenics. Idk how much he took to become that way. Maybe stop dumping chemicals in our air, food and water and and allow the entire planet to detox.

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Patriot*17*76*'s avatar

Just what we'd need another " crutch" . Maybe non addictive... but can become habitual.

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The Long Game's avatar

Anything can. Gambling, porn, sugar, tv. All "addictive".

Yet so is generosity, success in business, growing tomatoes, and reading educational materials.

All addictive. The question is: to what effect?

Look at results. The proof is in the pudding.

"It can be done wrong."

So can anything. So do it right. Or just be scared to admit you might learn something and heal yourself. It's your life and you are free to die without growing if you wish.

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Daniel Murphy's avatar

I also suffered loss of a loved one from drug use, so I understand your position. Years later I experienced severe psychological trauma and found myself in a deep depression as a result. From this perspective ‘I know for a fact the current offering of meds for treatment has been a robust failure.’ They don’t work. Too often they make the condition worse. Lucky for me, I stopped the medication and eventually with loving support, I pulled myself out of the darkness. Having said this, I bristle to think of our soldiers who lost limbs and witnessed unspeakable events and have been terribly underserved by the country they fought for; to date. Because of this travesty, I enthusiastically endorse a new course of treatment, in hopes of returning them to a semblance of normalcy and dignity of life that they richly deserve. You may not understand this but, when you’re at a point of contemplating suicide ‘diet and exercise’ rings hollow, at that desperate, lonely point in time.

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Living Well Locally's avatar

Any substance can be beneficial medicine when used wisely and matched appropriately to the patient.

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Barbara Charis's avatar

I was having trouble sleeping and my daughter got me some THC oil in a small jar ...and when I noticed that my memory started to slip....I stopped it immediately. I changed my routine...and getting up at 6:30 am and started exercising daily...no more trouble sleeping. Pot is not the way to go..It lowers the intelligence...memory and ability to think clearly. The only thing which humans should put in their mouth is unprocessed natural food. It feeds the brain as well as the body and contributes to emotional stability.

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The Long Game's avatar

You are lacking in medical knowledge. The effects you described can be caused by many, many other things as well, and not everything is going to work for everyone. Newsflash: people are different.

No, pot does not "lower" intelligence. In fact, studies show that occasional pot use increases intelligence. Using it all day every, otoh, will make you cloudy or foggy. This is true of food itself though. Eat just enough of the right things. If you eat a bunch of overfatty, processed foods all day, you will become sluggish and have brain fog and forget things.

You are just speaking from your emotions based on a *single* experience you yourself had, and do not have much knowledge in this area. Some people here are far, *far* more educated than you on this topic. Have a little humility and read various experiences of others to see that 1) not everyone is like you, chemically or otherwise, and 2) there are multiple ways to apply all forms of plant medicine.

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Marc's avatar

I totally agree. See my post below written by Marc.

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Dee Smith's avatar

Mind-bending drugs have always been a bad idea, as they ultimately make it difficult, if not impossible, to stay in touch with objective reality. The idea to use psychedelics for mental health sounds eerily like Yuval Noah Harari’s evil plan to keep the lowly plebeians occupied with drugs and video games while the “godlike” billionaire technocrats run the world. I’m thoroughly disappointed with the MAHA leaders for presenting this as a possible solution for mental health problems.

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TeeJae's avatar

Before automatically dismissing these new mental health treatments, I encourage you to do more research on them. Proper treatment/dosing is conducted only in controlled settings, so they cannot be abused, lead to addiction, dependency, or become habitual (as other commenters have claimed). These scientific breakthroughs have the potential to eliminate the need for SSRIs and their proven homicidal and suicidal side-effects. I for one would prefer to live in a society with way less veteran suicides and mass shootings.

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Dee Smith's avatar

Thanks for your reply. I didn’t “automatically” dismiss the use of psychedelics for mental health. They have a long history of doing harm to mental health!

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Marc's avatar

Marc

2h

See my post below written by Marc. You are right to consider these substances as a bad ide

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Marc's avatar

See my post below written by Marc. You are right to consider these substances as a bad idea.

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Kathy Boston's avatar

Nope. I believe psychedelics are dangerous. Let's focus on restoring our soils and bringing down prices of organic food. Low-fat plant-based diet is best.

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TeeJae's avatar

You "believe" they're dangerous? What research/evidence is that belief based on?

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Marc's avatar

TeeJae: see my post about their danger , written by Marc below.

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TeeJae's avatar

Thanks, but my question is specifically for Kathy.

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Marc's avatar

Absolutely correct Kathy. See my post below written by Marc.

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Leeta von Buelow's avatar

What a bunch of nonsense! Drugs cannot help you overcome your trauma! They only mollify the pain. I know people who suffered greatly from the psilocybin, pot, etc. It ruined their lives. Some are indeed dead. Some are crippled and disabled, unable to interact or carry on in society. MAHA is insane for entertaining this nonsense. How much money did they receive from this billionaire for allowing his session at the conference? Truth and honesty about drugs is needed, not marketing by billionaires who will not be there to pick up the shattered lives left by those believing his lies and taking these drugs. MAHA has been taken over by the billionaires, and is not seeking truth. Trauma has to be dealt with cognitive therapy, diet, exercise, targeted supplements and most of all. love and forgiveness.

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Marc's avatar

Totally right on Leeta! See my post here as Marc

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Reverend Jacqueline Weiks's avatar

Yeah!!!! It is about time that Plant Medicine is available and we are seeing that there have been too many lies about how it works. Many feel it is drugs - not true at all - it is the brainwashing from the Powers That Should Not Be. This way of healing will be the ticket to replacing all PH@rma toxic killers. I have been an educator of this sacred plant for 3-4 years. Many are getting on board to get the support they need. This would wipe out the need for SSRI and many other d@ngerous options offered by the haters.

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John Potash's avatar

U.S. intelligence and the Rockefeller Foundation, as well as the Ford and Carnegie Foundations have donated vasts amount of money over the decades toward popularizing psychedelics as either "mind-expanding" or medicinal. Billionaires from the Rockefeller family have also donated to America's two biggest psychedelic promotion groups: MAPS and Heffter Institute. Evidence supports these groups are modern-day versions of the Human Ecology Fund, which Anthropology Today said was a front group for the CIA's Project MK-Ultra. RFK Jr wrote much about MK-Ultra in The Real Anthony Fauci. He knows Sirhan was a victim of MK-Ultra in the CIA assassination of his dad. It's not a good idea to promote their sketchy science around psychedelics, when LSD and MDMA (Ecstasy) clearly are causing cerebral damage, according to numerous articles I cite in Drugs as Weapons Against Us book and film. As a psychotherapist for over 35 years, I believe EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) is a much safer and more important tool for progress in the field of mental health.

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Nicole C. Scott's avatar

Entheogens, and plant wisdom has been long known by tribal elders, shaman, and wisdom keepers. Controlling substances provided freely by nature runs counter to the spirit of sacraments. When investing and industry seek to exploit such gifts for profit and make nature illegal, it is a distortion of the original purpose for the evolutionary processes through which our physiology responds. One would posit that our relationship to nature be more pure, and that our approach to extract and exploit evolve to incorporate intention to heal, not hinder. To be naturopathic rather than allopathic.

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Dr. Karreman, The Organic Vet's avatar

Plants are part of God's Kingdom. They should be utilized therapeutically for a whole host of uses actually, not just psychedelic therapy but also for infection, gastro-intestinal problems, liver problems, heart problems, reproductive problems, etc.

In fact, plant-based therapies were mainstream medicine prior to the synthetic era - and prior to the establishment of FDA. This is clear: the USP and NF of 1936 (just prior to the 1938 Food Drug and Cosmetic Act) shows hundreds of plant-based formulations as Official, meaning the government recognized them as legitimate medicine.

In addressing long known potential life changing therapies such as plant-based psychedelics, hopefully FDA will also recognize other plant-based therapies. They're not all sexy like psychedelics, but as Dr.Makary mentions, they (FDA) should listen to patients - and once again officially recognize plant medicine to be mainstream medicine again.

Doing so could also help reduce antibiotic use in livestock - this is different of course than plant-based psychedelic therapy, yet nonetheless as important in a completely different way. Plant-based medicine makes sense not only for humans but the animals in our lives as well.

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TeeJae's avatar

100%. Eastern medicine has been using, to great effect, plant-based therapies for thousands of years, long before Rockefeller "medicine" (i.e. poison) was introduced in the West. It's way past time we break free of BigPharma's sick-care stranglehold on our health.

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Dr. Karreman, The Organic Vet's avatar

Western medicine has also used plant medicine to great effect for a couple thousand years. Merck, yes Merck, started in the 1660's as an apothecary and many other (now) big name Pharma companies started in with botanicals (Park Davis, Sandoz, Wyeth, Sharp and Dohme, Eli Lilly) ... right up through the 1930's, when botanical medicine was at its zenith, prior to the isolated active ingredients that could be synthesized cheaply.

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Patriot*17*76*'s avatar

Where Peter Theils named.... I'm not gonna agree with any of that stupidity... can you see the $$$$ signs in their eyes? Jesus is the way , the truth and the life... he's the best medicine in the world.

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Christina Veselak's avatar

Psychedelics are sexy, but food is foundational. I would love to see MAHA get behind promoting educating the public about what they need for to eat for mental health and addiction recovery. We’ve known for decades, the nutrients required for optimal, brain functioning, and therefore optimal mental health, but it has never been part of the conversation.

I so wish I had been at this conference, but I didn’t know about it to speak on this. My book EAT! A guide to radiant recovery using food in amino acids to repair the addicted brain and reduce cravings, speaks to it in an easily accessible and fun way. This info applies to all mental health issues as well as addiction. Most people who need psychedelic therapy are not eating Brain healthy foods. Just ask them. www.eatforrecovery.com.

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Aiyana's avatar

https://www.wildlyaiyana.org/post/nibbler-enabler

Pro-“psychedelics” aka PLANT MEDICINES. Blog Post!

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Aiyana's avatar

They’ve helped me greatly, I sit with plant medicines, and I am a nibbler enabler

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Marc's avatar

Promoting the use of psychedelics is a big MISTAKE. There are natural ways to improve mental health that are unfortunately on the margins of society and use natural deep methods. They can be called neo-Freudian therapies since they started with Freud's great discovery of the unconscious. These neo-Freudians took up up the baton , discarded Freud's weird theoretical system and developed deeper methods. For instance the problem of schizophrenia was essentially solved 80 years ago by one Wilhelm Reich without the use of drugs which is a dead end. Bobby's voice problem was resolved by a neo-Reichian because it is psychosomatic problem ( I have a copy of the paper describing this cure at home ).

Of course mainstream psychiatry, if they even know about these therapies , scoff at them, without even testing them out. But thousands of case studies show their benefits.

Why is the use of ANY psychedelic dangerous? Here is what one other author, Arthur Janov, had to say about this in his groundbreaking book "The Primal Scream", 55 years ago. He had to deal with a whole bunch of acid (LSD) casualties at that time. He writes (and I add some clarifying info in parentheses ) : " The (sometime ) problem with the use of LSD ( and any psychedelic ) is that it ARTIFICIALLY opens up individuals to more (heretofore inner unconscious) reality than they can tolerate with their neurotic systems, resulting in a daytime nightmare-psychosis. LSD upsets the defense system with the tragic result that LSD users are filling up the wards of psychiatric hospitals ". Why then do some users feel that their particular use is beneficial? Because they are not too neurotic, and low doses can release a minimum of unconscious feelings which are the main source of any neurosis , without too much damage . But those underground psychedelic "therapists" do not know that. The psychedelics themselves do not heal directly, . Yes also, there are purely brain problems but, most mental illnesses are not purely brain problems, in fact just a minority .But current psychiatry in its stupidity feels that your life experiences have nothing to do with your mental problems.

Anyways , if anyone is even more interested in what I have to say, please thoroughly read the section on LSD in "The Primal Scream".

And for those thinking of using psychedelics even under the supervision of untrained underground therapists, who don't know what they are doing, THINK TWICE before betting your mental health on potentially very dangerous substances.

Marc

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MJ's avatar

UNbeFREAKINlievable! when progress against pharma-engineered TOXINS is the MAHA idea of HALLUCINATING UNDER drug-doctor SUPERVISION...!!!....

and the faster the psycho-level process, the better... oy.....

OF COURSE,

the perpetrators of such meds will NOT BE UNHAPPY that such VETS will be PROHIBITED FROM OWNING or USING GUNS.... specifically what they trained for in order to DEFEND themselves, family, friends and We-the-People, all ages...

But even

MORE UNbeFREAKINlievable is that **vitamin** B3 in huge doses gets DEPRESSION out the door.... not in stupid-FDA barely double-digit milligram doses, but 500 TIMES THAT approximately..

AND

that's not WORTHY ''news'' HERE, expectable as it would not surface in mainstream pharma-bought ''news'' .... though ORTHOMOLECULAR MDs have practiced this solution for over FIFTY YEARS...

Here's a version of ''the news'' for VETERANS with PTSD...

http://www.cighe.net/ResearchLibrary/VFW-version%20VeteransPath%20for%20FreedomfromPTSD%20naturally.pdf

TTYL

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Eduardo Guzmán's avatar

The kind of Revolution we are going through even gives millionaires the opportunity to discover and promote useful things, such as psychedelics. The plants will always be somewhere around to prevent the greedy from stealing their virtues by patenting and other schemes. I hope the FDA under Kennedy moves fast and subject countries, like most of Europe, can copycat their decision in time for many to re-discover some degree of well-being. That new head of the US Health Department probably knows that his uncle JFK was taking LSD by medical prescription when, in 1963, he made the reasonable and brave decision to authorize the Department of the Treasury to issue notes, ie money, breaking the bankers' monopoly. Intelligence and honesty go hand in hand, and the relevant, illuminating suggestions may come from plants rather than humans. Remain tuned.

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