How many posters here remember the anti-RFK Jr. articles that were based on Thorsen's attempt to paint himself in a "scientific" light, and paint Kennedy as a crazy conspiracist? Slowly the truth is finally seeing the light of day as to Thorsen, Fauci, et al.
I don't remember anything about what you've described. What fonyou mean Thorsen's attempt to paint himself as? He hasn't been heard from in 15 years. So what are you trying to describe?
Exactly! ... For me, the years prior to the 15, (actually, 12), years, is still short term memory to me. Everything presented back then was with purpose! Thorsen as the legit Doc with medical training background, vs RFK as a quack conspiracist with no medical training. Sorry you either didn't see it or can't remember it.
“Back then” you never heard of this guy - until he was picked up a few months ago. His name appeared on papers 1999 to 2008, as fifth or eighth author;
Biomarkers of Spontaneous Preterm Birth, Genetic Associations in Preterm Birth, Biomarkers for the Prediction of Preterm Delivery, Cord Blood Biomarkers of the Fetal Inflammatory Response
Why? The guy embezzled money 20 years ago. The papers his name appears on have been audited to death and never called into question. And it's all been replicated in much larger studies since then.
Schools shut down conversations like these. Harm has been done. This is the reason. Please, post flyers around "your" neighborhood which says "Wanted - Troll."
So you think that all of the criticisms of Thorsen’s paper have had a fair hearing? And that no pressure was applied by pharma, via the CDC, to make sure that everything was presented as “safe and effective”? And that a man accused of stealing funds is a man that can be trusted to do honest science, and there’s nothing to see here?
What pressure by pharma? What pressure by CDC? Dog whistle me another "safe and effective." It was a paper 25 years ago - the crux of nothing at this point.
For the general corruption of medical science there are a plethora of books out there, many of them written by physicians, as well as substacks by Drs. Kory, Yoho, and Nass and "Midwestern Doctor" to help educate you on what you don't know, or willfully ignore due to a rigid ideology.
I doubt you'll bother with any of that because you're "certain" and probably have little understanding of how easy it is to fall into error, especially given the misinformation put out by the government authorities. Also you have a label to help you dismiss everything: "conspiracy theory."
If you Google "vaccine fraudulent studies" you'll find a number of studies that attempted to show that vaccines were associated with autism that were debunked or retracted, chief among them the MMR study by Andrew Wakefield. But all of that is just a shell to cover up the real truth, just as the Wakefield affair was a shell to cover up the truth of what he found (which, in the retracted paper, was quite modestly stated.) To create the shell that hides the truth, quite extreme measures are resorted to-- i.e., fraudulent studies are created to make honest studies look dishonest-- because if people learn the truth then "vaccine hesitancy" would skyrocket and pharma $$$ and even any nefarious plans the US government might have against its own people (for reasons of eugenics or ideology ... who knows?) would plummet.
If "nefarious plans" sounds like conspiracy then maybe that's because it looks like conspiracy, or else like blatant callous disregard for life and well-being and an absence of basic decency.
None of this is secret: it's been written of in many books by people who have been there and would know. Only wilful ignorance and laziness keeps people from looking.
They don't care about their students only the bottom line. When I was a child only the elderly had diabetes. Today half my students are overweight or morbidly obese. 30 percent are diabetic. I had 7 year old girls already menstruating probably from the genetically modified hormones injected into conventionally raised cows that goes to lower quality restaurants ( fast" food"). Doctors will just tell you it's " hereditary". When I ask the mothers of these girls when they first got their periods they tell me 12 years old. I know of 9 year old girls impregnated in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina by their mothers boyfriends. I know that Brazilians and Argentinians are big beef eaters. In the 1940s the average age for an American girl at her first period was 15-16. When I ask other teachers about this theyre more likely to shrink away from the conversation. I speak to students and tell them what is happening to their beef. Please read the book MAD COWBOY the author was sued along with Oprah Winfrey by cattle ranchers in Texas for showing diseased animals being slaughtered and refed to other cows. You cannot purchase a copy of the show only transcript but I remember that show. They cut out the cancerous tumor from the cow then put it's carcass into the huge bin to be grinded up. The tumor may have been removed but the cancer is still inside the cow throughout their entire body. This isn't legal but that doesn't matter. Laws are broken EVERY DAY and the Constitution is violated EVERY DAY too.
Ophra Winfrey was getting sued, because she said she would never have another burger. I don't need burgers. I had a spiritual epiphany in 2001 and became an instant vegetarian!! It happened upon me that it was wrong to manipulate animals for the ki!!. 2006-synchronicity would have it that I became an ethical vegan. I am quite aware there will be zombie trolls swinging at me now. Let me remind all, vaccines are far from being vegan, so if you cared about humans "and" non human animals, one would have 100% said "no" to the convid shot. Those, who took it, didn't consider the cruelty in the shot, or didn't care. If they did, they would have been spared grief.
Poul Thorsen is just another con artist in the vaccine debacle taking place. The biggest Scam in the world: Vaccines with poisonous substances in them being injected into human bloodstreams with people being told they increased immunity...only on the word of profit seeking manufacturers. Our gullible and trusting government does no testing to validate the vaccine manufacturer's claims. About the time these vaccine manufacturers were being sued for multi-millions of dollars for deadly and defective products, our government passes The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 removing all of their liability for injuries and deaths caused by their dangerous products.
No, he will not be pleading guilty to falsifying reports on vaccines and autism. He wasn't charged with anything like that. He was charged with 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering. So mendacious U
Correct, it doesn’t prove the science was honest. But an unrelated billing-fraud charge doesn’t prove it was dishonest either. If you’re alleging scientific fraud, identify the falsified data, retraction, or investigative finding. “Science sells” isn’t evidence.
Severe lack of any thinking with all of this dissent by people who WANT it to be true. Using this crap as a way to discredit every other study and every other ethical researcher is how we got where we are. One doesn't equate to the other. Just a bunch of whiny, self deluded, Dunning-Krueger accolites who think their degree in Facebook researching makes them scientists.
The indictment and the arraignment documents. And the fact that they used the original 2011 indictnent for money laundering and wire fraud - except they didn't arraign on most of the wire fraud charges.
There are no USG programs, that are not riddled with fraud, waste, and abuse. Just turn the rock over, and see what scurries out. Once you remove the grift, there is little else there.
How many posters here remember the anti-RFK Jr. articles that were based on Thorsen's attempt to paint himself in a "scientific" light, and paint Kennedy as a crazy conspiracist? Slowly the truth is finally seeing the light of day as to Thorsen, Fauci, et al.
No idea what you're talking about. Please explain.
What articles that were based on "Thorsen's attempt to paint himself in a "scientific" light, and paint Kennedy ...?"
He wasn't writing any articles. He was in the lam. Disappeared into the wind.
all predicated on the false belief in fictitious "virus" the solution an
endless # of quaxcine. Health does not come from needles is the short course.
no...DEATH DOES Tho
do not overlook the millions of disabled or mentally impaired
pregnant women 86 per cent baby loss / cancer up 700 per cent .. myocarditis
this is most promising:
1) the Virus fraud (they do not exist)
Court case in India having 8 MDs, about 8 PhD plaintiffs demanding
proof of existence is moving forward
Behold: https://drsambailey.substack.com/p/no-virus-heats-up-in-indias-high?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=email&embedding_publication_id=992044
Obviously, some poster's memories are VERY short.
I don't remember anything about what you've described. What fonyou mean Thorsen's attempt to paint himself as? He hasn't been heard from in 15 years. So what are you trying to describe?
Exactly! ... For me, the years prior to the 15, (actually, 12), years, is still short term memory to me. Everything presented back then was with purpose! Thorsen as the legit Doc with medical training background, vs RFK as a quack conspiracist with no medical training. Sorry you either didn't see it or can't remember it.
“Back then” you never heard of this guy - until he was picked up a few months ago. His name appeared on papers 1999 to 2008, as fifth or eighth author;
Biomarkers of Spontaneous Preterm Birth, Genetic Associations in Preterm Birth, Biomarkers for the Prediction of Preterm Delivery, Cord Blood Biomarkers of the Fetal Inflammatory Response
Despicable. Thank you RFK Jr. Please send this info in an email to ALL schools.
Why? The guy embezzled money 20 years ago. The papers his name appears on have been audited to death and never called into question. And it's all been replicated in much larger studies since then.
Post flyers around your neighborhood.
Schools shut down conversations like these. Harm has been done. This is the reason. Please, post flyers around "your" neighborhood which says "Wanted - Troll."
Schools didn't shut down any conversations based on this guy stealing money 20 years ago,
Schools most definitely want any mention of vaccines possibly causing autism, troll.
So you think that all of the criticisms of Thorsen’s paper have had a fair hearing? And that no pressure was applied by pharma, via the CDC, to make sure that everything was presented as “safe and effective”? And that a man accused of stealing funds is a man that can be trusted to do honest science, and there’s nothing to see here?
Which criticisms of "Thorsen's paper?"
What pressure by pharma? What pressure by CDC? Dog whistle me another "safe and effective." It was a paper 25 years ago - the crux of nothing at this point.
Everyone is in on some big conspiracy 😂
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/search/?search=thorsen
There. I did some of your homework for you.
For the general corruption of medical science there are a plethora of books out there, many of them written by physicians, as well as substacks by Drs. Kory, Yoho, and Nass and "Midwestern Doctor" to help educate you on what you don't know, or willfully ignore due to a rigid ideology.
I doubt you'll bother with any of that because you're "certain" and probably have little understanding of how easy it is to fall into error, especially given the misinformation put out by the government authorities. Also you have a label to help you dismiss everything: "conspiracy theory."
If you Google "vaccine fraudulent studies" you'll find a number of studies that attempted to show that vaccines were associated with autism that were debunked or retracted, chief among them the MMR study by Andrew Wakefield. But all of that is just a shell to cover up the real truth, just as the Wakefield affair was a shell to cover up the truth of what he found (which, in the retracted paper, was quite modestly stated.) To create the shell that hides the truth, quite extreme measures are resorted to-- i.e., fraudulent studies are created to make honest studies look dishonest-- because if people learn the truth then "vaccine hesitancy" would skyrocket and pharma $$$ and even any nefarious plans the US government might have against its own people (for reasons of eugenics or ideology ... who knows?) would plummet.
If "nefarious plans" sounds like conspiracy then maybe that's because it looks like conspiracy, or else like blatant callous disregard for life and well-being and an absence of basic decency.
None of this is secret: it's been written of in many books by people who have been there and would know. Only wilful ignorance and laziness keeps people from looking.
Replicated by the same fraudsters who helped Thorsen!!
Better late than never!
They don't care about their students only the bottom line. When I was a child only the elderly had diabetes. Today half my students are overweight or morbidly obese. 30 percent are diabetic. I had 7 year old girls already menstruating probably from the genetically modified hormones injected into conventionally raised cows that goes to lower quality restaurants ( fast" food"). Doctors will just tell you it's " hereditary". When I ask the mothers of these girls when they first got their periods they tell me 12 years old. I know of 9 year old girls impregnated in Mexico, Brazil and Argentina by their mothers boyfriends. I know that Brazilians and Argentinians are big beef eaters. In the 1940s the average age for an American girl at her first period was 15-16. When I ask other teachers about this theyre more likely to shrink away from the conversation. I speak to students and tell them what is happening to their beef. Please read the book MAD COWBOY the author was sued along with Oprah Winfrey by cattle ranchers in Texas for showing diseased animals being slaughtered and refed to other cows. You cannot purchase a copy of the show only transcript but I remember that show. They cut out the cancerous tumor from the cow then put it's carcass into the huge bin to be grinded up. The tumor may have been removed but the cancer is still inside the cow throughout their entire body. This isn't legal but that doesn't matter. Laws are broken EVERY DAY and the Constitution is violated EVERY DAY too.
Ophra Winfrey was getting sued, because she said she would never have another burger. I don't need burgers. I had a spiritual epiphany in 2001 and became an instant vegetarian!! It happened upon me that it was wrong to manipulate animals for the ki!!. 2006-synchronicity would have it that I became an ethical vegan. I am quite aware there will be zombie trolls swinging at me now. Let me remind all, vaccines are far from being vegan, so if you cared about humans "and" non human animals, one would have 100% said "no" to the convid shot. Those, who took it, didn't consider the cruelty in the shot, or didn't care. If they did, they would have been spared grief.
Last I checked public health nurses "counsel" principals on policy.
Every effort to expose the criminals useful.
Poul Thorsen is just another con artist in the vaccine debacle taking place. The biggest Scam in the world: Vaccines with poisonous substances in them being injected into human bloodstreams with people being told they increased immunity...only on the word of profit seeking manufacturers. Our gullible and trusting government does no testing to validate the vaccine manufacturer's claims. About the time these vaccine manufacturers were being sued for multi-millions of dollars for deadly and defective products, our government passes The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 removing all of their liability for injuries and deaths caused by their dangerous products.
Diverted funds 2006 to 2008. Bought himself a house, a Honda, an Audi. Nothing to do with papers he coauthored back then. Whatever.
No, he will not be pleading guilty to falsifying reports on vaccines and autism. He wasn't charged with anything like that. He was charged with 13 counts of wire fraud and 9 counts of money laundering. So mendacious U
https://www.justice.gov/archive/usao/gan/press/2011/04-13-11.html
He did fraud so he'd be perfect for a high-level trump position. But it was like 17 years ago, so he's out of practice.
Thank you #RFKJR
Nothing about falsifying reports or research loolu
"Poul Thorsen ... is expected to plead guilty of 22 counts of fraud, including falsifying reports on vaccines and autism."
Thorsen is reportedly expected to plead guilty Sept. 1. That's real.
What isn't real is this headline. He's charged with stealing research funds through fraudulent invoices, **not falsifying vaccine-autism studies**.
Financial fraud deserves prosecution. It doesn't magically prove scientific fraud.
And it certainly doesn't prove that Thorsen or any of the other investigators conducted honest science.
Scientific fraud is all over the place. It's common practice, especially when it comes to pharmaceutical products. "Science" sells.
Correct, it doesn’t prove the science was honest. But an unrelated billing-fraud charge doesn’t prove it was dishonest either. If you’re alleging scientific fraud, identify the falsified data, retraction, or investigative finding. “Science sells” isn’t evidence.
Severe lack of any thinking with all of this dissent by people who WANT it to be true. Using this crap as a way to discredit every other study and every other ethical researcher is how we got where we are. One doesn't equate to the other. Just a bunch of whiny, self deluded, Dunning-Krueger accolites who think their degree in Facebook researching makes them scientists.
The crimes never end with these parasites
Thorsen's crimes ended around 2010.
Your evidence for that?
Read the indictment. Each of your comments here demonstrates profound ignorance.
The indictment and the arraignment documents. And the fact that they used the original 2011 indictnent for money laundering and wire fraud - except they didn't arraign on most of the wire fraud charges.
Great article. One of many crooks getting rich off the "safe and effective" lie.
BTW, you know this post hit home when we got our very own pet troll typing his little fingers raw spewing nonsense everywhere.
There are no USG programs, that are not riddled with fraud, waste, and abuse. Just turn the rock over, and see what scurries out. Once you remove the grift, there is little else there.
Thanks for the info!
This man needs body guards to make sure he doesn’t “unalive” himself just before testimony. 🙏♥️
Just sad, what’s wrong with people!